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Old 8th November 2009, 6:42 PM   #196
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Also interesting that Einstein was not an atheist. Many physicists in fact are not. Idiots one and all.
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Old 8th November 2009, 8:27 PM   #197
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Also interesting that Einstein was not an atheist. Many physicists in fact are not. Idiots one and all.
I'm not sure Einstein wasn't atheist, either. He never really said in crystal clear terms, he was quick to damn religion when it may have suited his purposes, such as when Israel offered him the Presidency. Although he never really said he didn't believe in a god, just that science was more interesting with the prospect. In that sense, he was certainly atheist, in that he didn't care either way.

Oppenheimer on the other hand was a pretty cut and dry theist.
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Old 8th November 2009, 8:35 PM   #198
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I'm not sure Einstein wasn't atheist, either. He never really said in crystal clear terms, he was quick to damn religion when it may have suited his purposes, such as when Israel offered him the Presidency. Although he never really said he didn't believe in a god, just that science was more interesting with the prospect. In that sense, he was certainly atheist, in that he didn't care either way.
Look into atheist versus agnostic or apathetic/areligious.
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Old 8th November 2009, 9:40 PM   #199
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Look into atheist versus agnostic or apathetic/areligious.
Yes, I'm quite aware of the differences.

Just not so sure on Einstein, hard to make a conjecture on exactly what he believed (or didn't believe) since he wasn't willing to tell us exactly what he he believed or didn't believe.
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Old 8th November 2009, 10:03 PM   #200
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It doesn't even matter what he was. I find it so ridiculous and petty the way both sides try to claim great individuals as their own while denying association with monsters.

At least nobody has mentioned Hitler yet.

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Old 9th November 2009, 6:41 PM   #201
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The fact that there is even a discussion about the existence of a god or gods is a strong indicator that there isn't one.

Believers claim that they have faith, and that their faith allows them to commune with, or understand the nature of god.

This cannot be so, as "faith" leads people to so many different conclusions--usually at the exclusion of the others. Every religion rejects all the others, usually with rational, thoughtful examination of the other's beliefs. But then when examining their own, all reason is out the window.

How is that some can pray and receive the revelation the the Book of Mormon is real, while others do the same and get the opposite answer?

It is clear that all religions cannot be right. However, all religions/assertions about god can be wrong.
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Old 9th November 2009, 6:52 PM   #202
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It doesn't even matter what he was. I find it so ridiculous and petty the way both sides try to claim great individuals as their own while denying association with monsters.

At least nobody has mentioned Hitler yet.

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They both like to distance themselves from Hitler, despite both having touted him as a visionary at one point. Funny, that.
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