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Old 19th July 2017, 4:35 PM   #31
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I wouldn't call it a scientific term. You could technically draw the line wherever you want, but it's not the line that is important. There is going to be generation overlap, everyone within a generation is an individual. But you can still recognize some general trends. Also region is very important. Finding someone from say China that matches the same generation as you they aren't necessarily going to fit the traits. These are only things that'll really match if you grew up in America, Canada, Australia or western europe.

If you're trying to figure out if you are millenial or not here is the key thing. If you grew up and had access to the internet as a child or in your very early teens, but didn't grow up with a smart phone at those same ages then you are probably a millenial. You might say it's a poor distinguishing feature for a milennial but nothing defined the milennials like being the first generation to grow up with the internet.
I would prefer not to call it scientific, myself, but it is a sociological term, and sociology is a science, so that is why I made that statement. Anyway, thank you and JFReyes for taking the time to help me understand this term. I think it is finally getting through to me. With that said, JFReyes, it does sound like a strange question to me as well. Maybe they are just trying to ask how you would approach working in a managerial position over a lot of young people - as if they are trying to see if the age-gap might be an issue. And that is your opportunity to show them that it is not, and in fact, beneficial?
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Old 19th July 2017, 7:33 PM   #32
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I guess I'm on the "upper end" of the millennial age range. I don't really fit with them, but I never really fit with my peers in school either. My take on it is this - millennials typically don't work well in the standard corporate structure. They tend to "flake" when it comes to schedules. My idea of doing a decent job is that if I'm scheduled to be at work at 0730, I arrive at 0710 or 0715 to be on the safe side. I'm never late, and my boss knows this. If I'm not there by 0730, my boss is calling me asking me what's wrong. Why? Because he knows it's out of my normal behavior and that something really bad has happened to me. My millennial coworkers (recent college grads) don't seem to care. They show up right on time, or a few minutes late. They slack off when they should be working, and they just WON'T put the phones away.

And then there's social justice. Everything seems to be a social justice issue to them. They don't seem to understand that the world is a naturally unfair place, and you have to carve out your own place in it. They assume that someone (especially government) will always be there to help them.

On the other hand, millennials have some expectations that I WISH companies would take an interest in. A previous poster mentioned work-life balance. It is hard to find this in a perpetually crappy economy. When there's always someone else in line for your job, employers can pretty much use you how they want. 40 hours a week just doesn't exist anymore - it's more like you either work 55-60+ or you get part-time. I get that there are emergencies, but when a company perpetually has "emergencies" then that is just a sign of poor planning or lame excuses.

If I were a hiring manager (and thank God I'm not!) I would strive for a balance in who I hire. Get some older workers to provide a positive influence toward stability, and some younger workers to provide ideas and drive change if that's what is needed.
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Old 20th July 2017, 8:47 AM   #33
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With that said, JFReyes, it does sound like a strange question to me as well. Maybe they are just trying to ask how you would approach working in a managerial position over a lot of young people - as if they are trying to see if the age-gap might be an issue. And that is your opportunity to show them that it is not, and in fact, beneficial?
The question is so open ended that it smells of age discrimination. As some other poster said before, if I were a millennial the subject wouldn't even come up. I've decided to follow some good advice received here and turn the question around to the interviewer by asking what specific trait of millennials they're talking about. Then I can be prepared to answer with specifics regarding timeliness, emotions, or any other aspects of their behavior.
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Old 20th July 2017, 9:20 AM   #34
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In my case, I live in Puerto Rico which has a latin culture even though it's part of the USA. I have to add that distinction to the answer I give to the question.
That is a really important fact, and so I don't know how the culture differed for people growing up in Puerto Rico over the last 35 years as compared to North America.

Did people grow up with computers in the same way? Did the culture move to more of a gentler way of raising kids (less punishment, more participation trophies)? Also you are going to have a tougher time researching the topic as what I've seen largely focuses on America as the whole concept of the generations is very American focused.
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Old 20th July 2017, 12:32 PM   #35
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That is a really important fact, and so I don't know how the culture differed for people growing up in Puerto Rico over the last 35 years as compared to North America.
Our culture has become more americanized and integrated with the US over the past 35 years but some differences remain, such as Spanish being the main language.

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Did people grow up with computers in the same way? Did the culture move to more of a gentler way of raising kids (less punishment, more participation trophies)?
Yes and yes.

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Also you are going to have a tougher time researching the topic as what I've seen largely focuses on America as the whole concept of the generations is very American focused.
Maybe so, but still many things will apply as I only have to concentrate on software developer millennials, and the US rules the software development culture here.
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Old 23rd July 2017, 9:10 AM   #36
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millennials in the workplace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8

haha, a mental health day....
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Old 23rd July 2017, 9:32 AM   #37
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The interesting thing is that some of the companies that actually provide the things that people are laughing at millennials for requiring (work-life balance, flexible hours, flexible structure, mental health days) are some of the most profitable companies in the world. Google and Facebook are two notable examples, among many lesser-known tech companies. I work for one of the largest organizations in the world (not a corporation, but still a household name) and I get all of these and more.

So clearly, the things that "those spoilt millennials want" are not necessarily mutually exclusive with profitability or growth. You know, those two things that all corporations strive for.

Is it a badge of honor or something, for a company to enforce strict hours and a strict hierarchical structure with no concern for employee well-being, while producing less stellar results? One of those, "Well back in MY day I tilled the fields from dawn to dusk with nothing other than my bare hands and a hoe!" things?
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Old 23rd July 2017, 9:49 AM   #38
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So clearly, the things that "those spoilt millennials want"
A very good discussion/opinion..I've seen it before.. maybe from here on LS

Simon Sinek on Millennials in the Workplace

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Old 24th July 2017, 10:01 AM   #39
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I would prefer not to call it scientific, myself, but it is a sociological term, and sociology is a science, so that is why I made that statement. Anyway, thank you and JFReyes for taking the time to help me understand this term. I think it is finally getting through to me. With that said, JFReyes, it does sound like a strange question to me as well. Maybe they are just trying to ask how you would approach working in a managerial position over a lot of young people - as if they are trying to see if the age-gap might be an issue. And that is your opportunity to show them that it is not, and in fact, beneficial?
Sociology is a social science.

Social sciences are very different from the other sciences, because even though they have some things in common with the hard sciences, such as performing experiments, verifying results, etc. There are no absolute laws that apply across the board to people the way it does to other things handled by science.

Gravity can be scientifically described in all of the ways it works, same with chemical reactions. You put a set of chemicals together in the exact same way 10 million times, it'll have the same result 10 million times.

You do any sociological experiment with a group of people you'll get at least a slightly different result with the next group of people.

Because people are each individual they aren't like a chemical or a piece of matter that can be exactly quantified and described.

I can be sociologically put into the Generation X category, but I have a million other personality traits that affect me as well.
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I manage a lot of millennials and I'd say they are likely similar to many cohorts in that there are some excellent workers, some poor workers, and the vast majority are average.

The excellent workers don't worry too much about things like mental health days, flexible hours and schedules, or they like. They work hard regardless of what is going on. You can't really do much about people that are lazy either. They will be poor workers regardless of the environment. You show your worth as a manager when you can get the most from your average workers. I find that this takes a balanced approached (i.e. balancing the needs of the company with the needs of the employee). Most of the time average employees stay average, but once in awhile, you can get a breakthrough and have them excel.
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Old 30th July 2017, 11:54 AM   #41
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I have found thru employing a more than a few millennial's that it is hard to find out what motivates them besides their FB status and social media.

They do seem to think they have a right to have their phone at their desk and check/text all day long while on the clock.
I have a coworker who is in her late 40s and is making roughly twice what I make. Every time I walk into her office she's on Facebook. Every time. Screwing around on social media when you're supposed to be working is not strictly a millennial phenomenon.

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Old 31st July 2017, 2:13 AM   #42
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I've been a manager in several of my roles, I'm not currently a manager but due to the nature of my role I 'manage' people across the business of all ages and levels.
I don't see any particular problem with millennials - less than a handful of them are lazy - even then I only see them going on FB or anything similar late on a Friday - by which time we've all burned out a bit from a tough week.

There are more than a handful of folk though in their 40's and 50's who do the following:

Chatter all day long about celebrities, TV shows and all and any personal info about colleagues and ex colleagues.
Go off sick if someone upsets them.
Go on shopping sprees and days out when they are 'off sick'.
Go on FB or news sites during work hours.
Take a lunch break and go into town only to come back and take another lunch break to eat their lunch whilst trying to hide that they are on FB or similar and pretending to work.
One lady (mid 40's) a couple of weeks ago spent almost an hour reading off to her desk buddy (late 50's) each and every member of the BBC who was on the top 100 highest salary list which she found on the internet. Along with reading it all off they both discussed each one.
Another lady (40's) reads off and discusses expenses receipts of food people have purchased when she analyses expenses. Lunches and dinners are valid and included up to 25 so reading all of the items out isn't necessary.
They also take holiday days at crucial times - the last reason was a lady who said she needed to catch up with her hovering - course, she gave the boss signing it off a totally different reason.

None of these folk happen to be under any remit of mine, otherwise I would say something. All I can do is chase them up on things which they haven't yet done - funny, they are always behind with deadlines. As long as I get the stuff I need and my boss needs done (which requires constant chasing even though they have a tick list of deadlines and have had for 10+ years) then it's up to my boss to do something about he amount of time they waste every day.

So yeah, certainly in my company it's the older ones who appear to be harder for managers to manage and motivate.
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Old 31st July 2017, 8:42 AM   #43
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I don't see any particular problem with millennials - less than a handful of them are lazy - even then I only see them going on FB or anything similar late on a Friday - by which time we've all burned out a bit from a tough week.
Me neither; they're people like everyone else and should be supervised according to their individual strengths and weaknesses. The reason for my OP is that it seems it's not a satisfactory answer to a hiring manager's question during an interview. I'd like further suggestions. Thanks.
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Screwing around on social media when you're supposed to be working is not strictly a millennial phenomenon.
No it isn't but this thread is...and it is something I have encountered hiring them.
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No it isn't but this thread is...and it is something I have encountered hiring them.
And your point is what exactly? That we shouldn't hire millennials because you've seen a few checking their twitter feed?
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