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Old 3rd April 2014, 3:01 AM   #31
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I never knew listing being a full time student could be a negative. For freelance/under the table work, I usually just give references. I agree that a resume should only reflect relevant work experience. I worked several odd jobs to support myself through school and the only time I will list those is on a formal employment application. As for employers not liking the unemployed, if only they knew how many other interested employers call me each week. It just takes time due to the high unemployment rate these days.
I used to think school was always a positive for employers provided one was studying something relevant and doing well, but here are some of the stupid comments I have heard from employers.....

Employer: I guess you're not available full time.
Me: Yes I am available for and seeking full time work *insert standard day time availability*.
Employer: Well if you want to work full time why are you bothering with school?

Employer: People we hire stay at this company until they retire. Since you're going to school its clear you won't do that.
Me: It's pretty difficult to predict such a thing, but I am very open to staying with a company long term if it works for everyone and through school I am developing skills that can be used in a variety of industries including this one.
Employer: Well we don't want to risk hiring someone who might leave.

Employer: I see you have worked quite a few jobs while attending school, were they part time or full time?
Me: Part time.
Employer: Why not full time?
Me: I was available full time, but those positions were specifically part time which worked for me because I had the opportunity to develop so many new skills relevant to my future goals.
Employer: Well part time work isn't really all that valid, especially since you were going to school. Why didn't you ask for full time work?
Me: Those companies made it very clear full time was not an option and during my employment there no full time opportunities were made available.
Employer: They probably just didn't want to take a big risk on a student since students tend to be flaky.

Employer: So I guess school is pretty expensive.
Me: It can be, but with adequate planning it is attainable.
Employer: Well I hope you're not looking for tuition reimbursement, we don't have that.
Me: No I was not.
Employer: Sure you say that now, but chances are you'll quit when an employer offering it wants to hire you.

Employer: So you're getting a bachelor's?
Me: Yes.
Employer: What happens if you want to go to grad school?
Me: That would be a decision I would not make lightly, but I would deal with it appropriately should that come up as a possibility.
Employer: Great so we get screwed.
Me: Pardon?
Employer: Well why would you keep working here if you want to do more school?

Employer: This job requires working weekend mornings.
Me: I understand and that is not a problem.
Employer: Are you sure? Students have a tendency to go out, get drunk, and sleep in or be too hungover to work weekends.

Yep yep yep, sad but true so I stopped mentioning it and had less hassles. Now that I'm in grad school (a transition I handled properly and all the while worked full time by the way) I don't mention it unless it is absolutely necessary.
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Old 3rd April 2014, 3:16 AM   #32
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Do not lie on your resume. I have fired someone for this specifically because they fudged the dates they left a company. I have heard numerous stories of people terminated because of lies on their resume, degrees they don't have, etc.

It isn't worth it nor is it needed. Don't risk it.
I don't advocate being a liar to get a job- but you can subterfuge your employment gaps with a well put together resume when you highlight relevant experience first.

I have lots of management and sales experience, and I have lots of merchandising experience. When I apply for a management or sales job- I push that experience to the front of my resume... When I apply for merchandising positions, I push that experience to the front.

I can't see an employer firing someone for saying they left a job in April 1997, when it might have been February 1997. I can see an employer firing someone for saying they worked somewhere they never worked- but not for hiding a gap of employment of a month or two.
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Old 3rd April 2014, 10:37 AM   #33
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I used to think school was always a positive for employers provided one was studying something relevant and doing well, but here are some of the stupid comments I have heard from employers.....

Employer: I guess you're not available full time.
Me: Yes I am available for and seeking full time work *insert standard day time availability*.
Employer: Well if you want to work full time why are you bothering with school?

Employer: People we hire stay at this company until they retire. Since you're going to school its clear you won't do that.
Me: It's pretty difficult to predict such a thing, but I am very open to staying with a company long term if it works for everyone and through school I am developing skills that can be used in a variety of industries including this one.
Employer: Well we don't want to risk hiring someone who might leave.

Employer: I see you have worked quite a few jobs while attending school, were they part time or full time?
Me: Part time.
Employer: Why not full time?
Me: I was available full time, but those positions were specifically part time which worked for me because I had the opportunity to develop so many new skills relevant to my future goals.
Employer: Well part time work isn't really all that valid, especially since you were going to school. Why didn't you ask for full time work?
Me: Those companies made it very clear full time was not an option and during my employment there no full time opportunities were made available.
Employer: They probably just didn't want to take a big risk on a student since students tend to be flaky.

Employer: So I guess school is pretty expensive.
Me: It can be, but with adequate planning it is attainable.
Employer: Well I hope you're not looking for tuition reimbursement, we don't have that.
Me: No I was not.
Employer: Sure you say that now, but chances are you'll quit when an employer offering it wants to hire you.

Employer: So you're getting a bachelor's?
Me: Yes.
Employer: What happens if you want to go to grad school?
Me: That would be a decision I would not make lightly, but I would deal with it appropriately should that come up as a possibility.
Employer: Great so we get screwed.
Me: Pardon?
Employer: Well why would you keep working here if you want to do more school?

Employer: This job requires working weekend mornings.
Me: I understand and that is not a problem.
Employer: Are you sure? Students have a tendency to go out, get drunk, and sleep in or be too hungover to work weekends.

Yep yep yep, sad but true so I stopped mentioning it and had less hassles. Now that I'm in grad school (a transition I handled properly and all the while worked full time by the way) I don't mention it unless it is absolutely necessary.
Why would u allow yourself to be questioned like that?
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Old 3rd April 2014, 3:58 PM   #34
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I used to think school was always a positive for employers provided one was studying something relevant and doing well, but here are some of the stupid comments I have heard from employers.....

Employer: I guess you're not available full time.
Me: Yes I am available for and seeking full time work *insert standard day time availability*.
Employer: Well if you want to work full time why are you bothering with school?

Employer: People we hire stay at this company until they retire. Since you're going to school its clear you won't do that.
Me: It's pretty difficult to predict such a thing, but I am very open to staying with a company long term if it works for everyone and through school I am developing skills that can be used in a variety of industries including this one.
Employer: Well we don't want to risk hiring someone who might leave.

Employer: I see you have worked quite a few jobs while attending school, were they part time or full time?
Me: Part time.
Employer: Why not full time?
Me: I was available full time, but those positions were specifically part time which worked for me because I had the opportunity to develop so many new skills relevant to my future goals.
Employer: Well part time work isn't really all that valid, especially since you were going to school. Why didn't you ask for full time work?
Me: Those companies made it very clear full time was not an option and during my employment there no full time opportunities were made available.
Employer: They probably just didn't want to take a big risk on a student since students tend to be flaky.

Employer: So I guess school is pretty expensive.
Me: It can be, but with adequate planning it is attainable.
Employer: Well I hope you're not looking for tuition reimbursement, we don't have that.
Me: No I was not.
Employer: Sure you say that now, but chances are you'll quit when an employer offering it wants to hire you.

Employer: So you're getting a bachelor's?
Me: Yes.
Employer: What happens if you want to go to grad school?
Me: That would be a decision I would not make lightly, but I would deal with it appropriately should that come up as a possibility.
Employer: Great so we get screwed.
Me: Pardon?
Employer: Well why would you keep working here if you want to do more school?

Employer: This job requires working weekend mornings.
Me: I understand and that is not a problem.
Employer: Are you sure? Students have a tendency to go out, get drunk, and sleep in or be too hungover to work weekends.

Yep yep yep, sad but true so I stopped mentioning it and had less hassles. Now that I'm in grad school (a transition I handled properly and all the while worked full time by the way) I don't mention it unless it is absolutely necessary.
Wow, thankfully in all the jobs I've had, I've never had such responses. How unprofessional. Good thing you aren't working for them.
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Old 3rd April 2014, 10:19 PM   #35
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I used to think school was always a positive for employers provided one was studying something relevant and doing well, but here are some of the stupid comments I have heard from employers.....

Employer: I guess you're not available full time.
Me: Yes I am available for and seeking full time work *insert standard day time availability*.
Employer: Well if you want to work full time why are you bothering with school?

Employer: People we hire stay at this company until they retire. Since you're going to school its clear you won't do that.
Me: It's pretty difficult to predict such a thing, but I am very open to staying with a company long term if it works for everyone and through school I am developing skills that can be used in a variety of industries including this one.
Employer: Well we don't want to risk hiring someone who might leave.

Employer: I see you have worked quite a few jobs while attending school, were they part time or full time?
Me: Part time.
Employer: Why not full time?
Me: I was available full time, but those positions were specifically part time which worked for me because I had the opportunity to develop so many new skills relevant to my future goals.
Employer: Well part time work isn't really all that valid, especially since you were going to school. Why didn't you ask for full time work?
Me: Those companies made it very clear full time was not an option and during my employment there no full time opportunities were made available.
Employer: They probably just didn't want to take a big risk on a student since students tend to be flaky.

Employer: So I guess school is pretty expensive.
Me: It can be, but with adequate planning it is attainable.
Employer: Well I hope you're not looking for tuition reimbursement, we don't have that.
Me: No I was not.
Employer: Sure you say that now, but chances are you'll quit when an employer offering it wants to hire you.

Employer: So you're getting a bachelor's?
Me: Yes.
Employer: What happens if you want to go to grad school?
Me: That would be a decision I would not make lightly, but I would deal with it appropriately should that come up as a possibility.
Employer: Great so we get screwed.
Me: Pardon?
Employer: Well why would you keep working here if you want to do more school?

Employer: This job requires working weekend mornings.
Me: I understand and that is not a problem.
Employer: Are you sure? Students have a tendency to go out, get drunk, and sleep in or be too hungover to work weekends.

Yep yep yep, sad but true so I stopped mentioning it and had less hassles. Now that I'm in grad school (a transition I handled properly and all the while worked full time by the way) I don't mention it unless it is absolutely necessary.
Wow. I would have walked out of an interview like any of those! How unprofessional!
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WP4046.... Just to clarify that was not one interview. All of those questions came from different interviews at different companies. The interviews always started off pretty normal and that type of questioning came up at the end.

Musclecarfan.... Sure I could have gotten up and just walked out, but that's not me. I just ended the interview professionally like I would any other and declined future interviews or offers of employment. Yep every once in awhile one of those crazy employers actually reached out to me again lol.

PinkSugar...... I agree that I'm better off not working for any of them. An employer so at ease displaying unprofessional behavior in an interview is only going to get worse when you have to report to them. My current employer was happy to hear I'm finishing my Master's and aiming for more education after that. As long as my work is done properly I can adjust my schedule as needed, which is a huge plus.
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WP4046.... Just to clarify that was not one interview. All of those questions came from different interviews at different companies. The interviews always started off pretty normal and that type of questioning came up at the end.

Musclecarfan.... Sure I could have gotten up and just walked out, but that's not me. I just ended the interview professionally like I would any other and declined future interviews or offers of employment. Yep every once in awhile one of those crazy employers actually reached out to me again lol.

PinkSugar...... I agree that I'm better off not working for any of them. An employer so at ease displaying unprofessional behavior in an interview is only going to get worse when you have to report to them. My current employer was happy to hear I'm finishing my Master's and aiming for more education after that. As long as my work is done properly I can adjust my schedule as needed, which is a huge plus.
I am glad to hear that because I would hope no one would allow themselves to be interrogated like that for a job
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Old 12th April 2014, 10:49 PM   #38
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WP4046.... Just to clarify that was not one interview. All of those questions came from different interviews at different companies. The interviews always started off pretty normal and that type of questioning came up at the end.

Musclecarfan.... Sure I could have gotten up and just walked out, but that's not me. I just ended the interview professionally like I would any other and declined future interviews or offers of employment. Yep every once in awhile one of those crazy employers actually reached out to me again lol.

PinkSugar...... I agree that I'm better off not working for any of them. An employer so at ease displaying unprofessional behavior in an interview is only going to get worse when you have to report to them. My current employer was happy to hear I'm finishing my Master's and aiming for more education after that. As long as my work is done properly I can adjust my schedule as needed, which is a huge plus.
I just had a similar interview the other day, only it just seemed as if the interviewer didn't do their homework before bringing me in. They bypassed the phone screen, "because my resume and writing samples really impressed them"...only for them to shoot me down right in the interview, because "based on your resume and your career goals, this may not be a good it". Um, really? Why call me in for an interview then in which I wasted time and gas to drive 30 minutes to if you were so sure I was a good fit based on my resume? It took everything I had to resist temptation from calling them out in the interview.
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I just had a similar interview the other day, only it just seemed as if the interviewer didn't do their homework before bringing me in. They bypassed the phone screen, "because my resume and writing samples really impressed them"...only for them to shoot me down right in the interview, because "based on your resume and your career goals, this may not be a good it". Um, really? Why call me in for an interview then in which I wasted time and gas to drive 30 minutes to if you were so sure I was a good fit based on my resume? It took everything I had to resist temptation from calling them out in the interview.
That's another thing I don't miss about the job search. Employers that intentionally waste your time and money just to get their jollies or something. I am a big fan of phone screens to avoid this very thing. Now with that employer I could see them skipping it and still bringing you in if they thought they had a more senior position you'd be a better fit for. But to bring you in just to reject you? Totally inconsiderate.
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That's another thing I don't miss about the job search. Employers that intentionally waste your time and money just to get their jollies or something. I am a big fan of phone screens to avoid this very thing. Now with that employer I could see them skipping it and still bringing you in if they thought they had a more senior position you'd be a better fit for. But to bring you in just to reject you? Totally inconsiderate.


How bout showing up for a interview and telling the receptionist who you are and then the receptionist coming back out and asking

"Ms. XX said she will be tied up in a meeting all day and wanted to know if you can come back tomorrow?"

My answer......"Tell her I am no longer interested"
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How bout showing up for a interview and telling the receptionist who you are and then the receptionist coming back out and asking

"Ms. XX said she will be tied up in a meeting all day and wanted to know if you can come back tomorrow?"

My answer......"Tell her I am no longer interested"
How about: 'Tell her if her job depends on hiring the best applicants, have her call me. But only if she doesn't intend to waste my time'
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How about: 'Tell her if her job depends on hiring the best applicants, have her call me. But only if she doesn't intend to waste my time'
The fact that she couldn't come out herself and tell me and sent the receptionist made me lose interest in the opportunity
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It really annoyed me when I had an interview last month where employers wanted a lot of management experience. I barely have any and it's not a direction I want to go in anyway. It was very clear from my resume too. Then they called me for an interview and basically told me that management would be one of the main job duties (again, in the job description it wasn't mentioned).

Thanks for wasting my time
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It really annoyed me when I had an interview last month where employers wanted a lot of management experience. I barely have any and it's not a direction I want to go in anyway. It was very clear from my resume too. Then they called me for an interview and basically told me that management would be one of the main job duties (again, in the job description it wasn't mentioned).

Thanks for wasting my time
I definitely would have walked out and ended the interview once I realized management wasn't in the ad. That's like me applying to a job that I think is in house and get to the interview and found out there is traveling involved.
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I got called for an interview for a position I found on craigslist. It was an ad for a marketing manager and marketing coordinator. However, when I get to the website when applying, they only had a "proctor" option to select...even though the marketing positions were advertised in my area. After reviewing the site prior to my interview, I find out the proctor position is part time and only $8-9 an hour starting. Yikes. I called to find out and verify if that was the only position open at that location and it was. Thankfully the guy let me know after I called him. I really didn't want to drive 12 miles out for such a low paying job. I am already working part time...and it would be a b!tch to commute that far from my current job for that pay rate. I respectfully declined and no one's time was wasted. I think he was confused since I selected the proctor position...but it shouldn't be a surprise when the marketing positions that were only at the other locations were advertised at that location.
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