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Old 7th February 2017, 1:26 PM   #1
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doing it for god?

I read an excuse for cheating, and it really puzzles me.

The view that was expressed was along the lines of an affair being okay because god sent the ow/om to the mm/mw.

To me, that makes zero sense. Isn't one of the biblical commandments " thous shalt not commit adultery"? How can someone believe that, yet believe god would want them to risk their eternal soul by cheating?

I think that's nonsense, but I'm agnostic so what the hell do I know?
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Isn't one of the biblical commandments " thous shalt not commit adultery"?
Spiritual adultery falls under the Laws of God -- infidelity to God's Will and God's Laws; people have used that to create a 'law of man', that they've related to relationships between human Beings on Earth.

Different levels of meaning to almost all - if not all - religious teachings; to account for the different levels of consciousness held by individuals and in the mass consciousness.
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Old 7th February 2017, 1:53 PM   #3
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I read an excuse for cheating, and it really puzzles me.

The view that was expressed was along the lines of an affair being okay because god sent the ow/om to the mm/mw.

To me, that makes zero sense. Isn't one of the biblical commandments " thous shalt not commit adultery"? How can someone believe that, yet believe god would want them to risk their eternal soul by cheating?

I think that's nonsense, but I'm agnostic so what the hell do I know?
because god sent the ow/om to the mm/mw -- That is an attempt to rationalize and place the "blame" on God for their "sin". However, it's misplaced -- temptations like adultery are delivered by Lucifer . . .

yet believe god would want them to risk their eternal soul by cheating? -- They aren't thinking about God, their families, their spouses/girlfriends, etc. -- they are only thinking about THEMSELVES and immediate gratification. They are not allowing themselves to see beyond the here and now, dissociating themselves from what may be their reality some day.
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because god sent the ow/om to the mm/mw -- That is an attempt to rationalize and place the "blame" on God for their "sin". However, it's misplaced -- temptations like adultery are delivered by Lucifer . . .

yet believe god would want them to risk their eternal soul by cheating? -- They aren't thinking about God, their families, their spouses/girlfriends, etc. -- they are only thinking about THEMSELVES and immediate gratification. They are not allowing themselves to see beyond the here and now, dissociating themselves from what may be their reality some day.
Personally, I think it speaks more to humans being flawed than it does god or the devil.

Mind you, in my limited experience with religion, most have been based on common sense and have some good points to make.
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OP- that's the flesh in operation. If I had a dollar for every time I swore 'it was God' I'd have a few dollars.
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Old 7th February 2017, 7:37 PM   #6
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You are attempting to reconcile logic with irrational beliefs - it's a losing battle!

If someone says something happened because "God wanted it" there is no refuting it. Facts, logic, reason do not hold up to "God told them".
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Old 8th February 2017, 12:29 AM   #7
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It's just an excuse or a rationalization they make for themselves to make the afffair "ok"

To be honest, we have recently found God again after this affair. Now I don't think that people who say this reallylive a religious life. Sure they might have grown up catholic, or Christian, but maybe they only go to church on holidays and for weddings. They don't really have a relationship with god anymore. **** hapoens and they feel something strong in their heart (that "affair limerence") and attribute it to this idea of God because it makes them feel justified in cheating

Becoming recently closer to God myself, there is no way someone close to God would think it's ok to cheat ot use him as an excuse. Marriage is a scared covenant
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What, you think all the Gods' commandments are the same? What if I worship Pan?
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What, you think all the Gods' commandments are the same? What if I worship Pan?
Ah yes the god of the wild. Certainly a worthy god to worship. I too love the wild places of the world. Remote locations with no humans other then myself within 50 miles. I'm alone with Pan and I become one with the wild. At least for a couple days and nights. Great god that Pan. I'm more of a Dionysus guy myself though. Those two actually have a good deal in common in lots of aspects. But I mean he's the wine god, so he takes first spot for me personally.


To answer the OP, think of the number of people murdered and raped and pillaged in the name of God in the history of the world. Still going on to this day. Tis the religious way of things.
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Personally, I think it speaks more to humans being flawed than it does god or the devil.
This is it, precisely. And, as (you?) said in the other thread, it comes down to how we use our free will -- Are we making decisions and choices that support, maintain or even exacerbate our flaws, or that have every potential to help us overcome/transcend them?

When we don't want to exercise self-control and self-discipline, then it's either God's fault - or the devil's. So sad. .
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To answer the OP, think of the number of people murdered and raped and pillaged in the name of God in the history of the world. Still going on to this day.
Tis the religious way of things.
Yes, that is, indeed, the way of the falsified and impure religions of this world.
It's no wonder at all that people, in droves, have chosen material science as their god and placed all their faith and belief in it.
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Ah yes the god of the wild. Certainly a worthy god to worship. I too love the wild places of the world. Remote locations with no humans other then myself within 50 miles. I'm alone with Pan and I become one with the wild. At least for a couple days and nights. Great god that Pan. I'm more of a Dionysus guy myself though. Those two actually have a good deal in common in lots of aspects. But I mean he's the wine god, so he takes first spot for me personally.


To answer the OP, think of the number of people murdered and raped and pillaged in the name of God in the history of the world. Still going on to this day. Tis the religious way of things.
many things are doen in gods name by men or women supposedly of god doesnt make them right.....or anywhere near to being OF GOD.........like the pastor who offered me money for a blow job when i was homeless and i wanted somewhere to sleep.....he was wearing robes at the time sitting in a room at an ornate church....the robes dont make him a man after gods own heart any more than the person who rapes pillages or plunders in the name of god.... i believe in the goodness of god not to be corruptible or to corrupt..men however..easily swayed....or women for that matter...nothing to do with god....at all.....more that natural man inside of us all....
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many things are doen in gods name by men or women supposedly of god doesnt make them right.....or anywhere near to being OF GOD.........like the pastor who offered me money for a blow job when i was homeless and i wanted somewhere to sleep.....he was wearing robes at the time sitting in a room at an ornate church....the robes dont make him a man after gods own heart any more than the person who rapes pillages or plunders in the name of god.... i believe in the goodness of god not to be corruptible or to corrupt..men however..easily swayed....or women for that matter...nothing to do with god....at all.....more that natural man inside of us all....
Read my post again. I didn't say anything bad about god, I said tis the religious way. Not the godly way. The thing is I don't have an issue with the idea of a higher power. I do take issue with organized religion. Religion is the biggest cause of murder and rape this world has ever known. Ever since the invention of religion (man's invention btw) it's been going on. Still going on in 2017. Forgive me if I see religion as nothing but a divider of people, an evil invention. If I believed in the a god and devil and that they actually care about our little planet and control things here, well I would have to look at religion and conclude it was the devil who created it. Not god.
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What, you think all the Gods' commandments are the same? What if I worship Pan?
if someone claims to be christian and quotes scripture, there's a pretty fair chance they aren't worshiping pan.
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Old 8th February 2017, 10:15 AM   #15
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Even those who don't believe in organized religion like to blameshift. They claim it's "it's in our genes" or "look at what other animals do".

I call bull on that. If we did everything our nature/dna/genes/ whatever programs us to do, the worlds would be a pretty nasty place. We obviously are not slaves to our genetics. We have free will and can think.

As Jerome Lawrence and Robert Edwin Lee pointed out in"Inherit the Wind", humans are really not all that well equipped for survival, except for our ability to think for ourselves and to not be slaves to our dna.
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