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Alright I have a situation that might be in need of cleansing.

 

I have a gf whom recently went through a cleansing of a curse put on her by her xbfs mother and found out she had another curse placed on her by a xbf/husband from years ago. She went through a series of cleansing rituals and is now planning to take a trip to Texas to see a man whom helped her aunt years ago save her son's life.

 

This gf has offered me to join her when she goes down there because for the past 9 years my life has been a mess and I all of my relationships are dysfunctional or I create some kind of dysfunction when I know that my confusion isn't real. I feel out of control. I've had a few wonderful and amazing men come into my life and something about the way I've handled them has pushed them away.

 

After much discussion with gf about more details then I've divulged here she thinks I too may have a curse on me.

She is of Hispanic descent. I am Caucasian and I've dated Hispanics (one for 7 months another for 4 1/2 yrs) and also a Muslim (less then a month).

 

I have learned that those two cultures use a lot of voodoo and such.

 

Is there anyone who can give me any insight to this stuff and help me understand some of the dynamics in all this stuff.

I am a Christian and never believed in any of this stuff. I am beginning to think there maybe some realism in it all. If I believe in heaven and hell and God and Satan exhaust. I'm thinking that this curse, hex, voodoo, witchcraft stuff is real and true also.

 

Help me please.. My life is a mess and no matter how much I work on correcting it everything falls apart and I'm left with so much confusion, loss, distress, drama, and loss.

 

Is this stuff real?

could I have a curse on me to fail in my career and relationships with men.

Could a past lover have put such a curse on me to fail and suffer?

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I can't believe there isnt' someone out there in LS land that doesn't know anything about this kind of thing.

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IMHO, none of that stuff is real. The only thing that I believe in is karma.

 

Your mind is playing a trick on you. You are scared so you think that it may be real.

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I dunno. I've seen some valuable things happen with spiritually oriented activities. In all denominations. I'm sure what matters most is that you believe in what is happening to you. One might even argue that that is why therapy works for some people, and not for others. I mean, if placebos can work....

 

I'm just saying.

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curanderismo is what it's called, basically it's folk healing mixed in with faith healing. At least if you're dealing with a Christian curandero. Do a web crawl on "Don Pedrito Jaramillo," a well-known curandero from South Texas, and you'll get a bit better understanding about this practice.

 

my cousin is a licensed acupuncturist and is learned in Chinese medicine. He's also a curandero. His wife says that people go in agitated because of mental or physical stress/illness and when they leave Gonzalo's office, they're at peace. He says it's about personal observation and listening, then praying for the person if they're open to prayer. He first started learning about folk medicine from his grandma while growing up in South Texas.

 

the former VP of student affairs at my alma mater in Kingsville, Dr. Eliseo "Cheo" Torres, has devoted his life to acquainting the public with the importance of curandersimo in the Mexican and Mexican-American culture. He now teaches classes at the U. of New Mexico, where he's VP of student affairs.

 

it's really not hokey or magickal, just a grassroots means of spiritually treating problems that manifest themselves physically using natural herbs and plants.

 

dang it, you've just reminded me that I "loaned" Cheo's books to a friend years ago, and I need to get them back.

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meant to add that a "white" curandero gives all credit to God for healing – he sees himself as the conduit for God's work. "Black" and "white" curanderos are pretty much the same as what you'd identify as "black" and "white" witchcraft, so it's not considered sorcery if the practictioner is "white" ...

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absolutely awesome Quank.. You gave me some info I was seeking.

Thank you. I will do a search. :cool:

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I could totally try to give you my sincerest opinions and thoughts on this subject if my internet wasn't such garbage right now.

 

What Quank said is very helpful, imo, and it's a great place for you to start doing some research. There is definitely more to this, and I'll try to see if I can come up with something decent for you by tomorrow or so.

 

:)

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de nada, Señor Pommegranite ... it's really fascinating how the mind and body work together when it comes to good health. And how people know just what to proscribe herb-wise to cleanse the body. All I can remember growing up was chamomile for colicky babies and tea made from cumin seed to help stop the runs!!!

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I could totally try to give you my sincerest opinions and thoughts on this subject if my internet wasn't such garbage right now.

You need to go to your gypsy and hold a seance to see when your laptop will be fixed.

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de nada, Señor Pommegranite ... it's really fascinating how the mind and body work together when it comes to good health. And how people know just what to proscribe herb-wise to cleanse the body. All I can remember growing up was chamomile for colicky babies and tea made from cumin seed to help stop the runs!!!

 

 

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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You need to go to your gypsy and hold a seance to see when your laptop will be fixed.

 

or stroke it lovingly as you chant sana, sana, colita de rana :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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per ... if you hear the cuarandero say that when you go visit, you'd better ask for his credentials ... that's what parents say to "heal" their babies' boo-boos!!!

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You need to go to your gypsy and hold a seance to see when your laptop will be fixed.

 

 

My laptop is not the one who needs a seance in order to be fixed.

 

:)

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I am a Christian and never believed in any of this stuff. I am beginning to think there maybe some realism in it all. If I believe in heaven and hell and God and Satan exhaust. I'm thinking that this curse, hex, voodoo, witchcraft stuff is real and true also.
IMHO, none of that stuff is real.
Be very careful please!!!:

 

Ephesians 6:12;

 

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

Don't get too pulled into these kind of things. We're a niave species.....and unless we have the proper backing, we have no business confronting or participating in any of it......

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Ephesians 6:12;

 

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

Don't get too pulled into these kind of things. We're a niave species.....and unless we have the proper backing, we have no business confronting or participating in any of it......

 

OMG.

 

Oh come on. You make it sound like the metaphysical is a purely evil thing.

 

I actually think jesus was the greatest magician of all time.

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I actually think jesus was the greatest magician of all time.

 

These words rub me wrong. I'm sorry..

 

I dont' believe Jesus was a magician..

 

I'm a Christian and my beliefs are real.

I heed Mooses warning. It is biblical I know..

It is the same warning I was taught growing up about playing with these types of spiritual things.

I have witnessed and experienced blessing in my life that I know are of God's power.

 

I have been tempted to looking into this type of stuff (hexes, curses, etc) but I am afraid of it. That is why I asked questions.

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The jesus thing was a joke. Although, not really. But that's a whole other story.

 

Anyway, here's something that made me log off LS because it just took too long:

 

I have a gf whom recently went through a cleansing of a curse put on her by her xbfs mother and found out she had another curse placed on her by a xbf/husband from years ago.

 

I have a question here: How does your girlfriend know she had a curse placed on her by her ex-boyfriend's mother and her ex-husband?

 

Did the person who she goes to consult with tell her this?

 

I ask because you have to be weary of these things. A lot of times people in need of something will turn to just about any method in order to ameliorate the negative situation, which is a common theme in the occult: someone will be in need of X thing, so they go to magickal practioners--witches, psychics, healers (or as quank said "curanderos"), shamans, etc, to help them. Sometimes, the person in need of help will be lucky and find someone who is genuine and who actually wants to help.

 

Unfortunately, this isn't the case very often. What most people run into are fake people who have no trouble whatsoever charging you an unbelievable amount of money to rid you of a "hex" or "curse" of "bad luck/negativity" and so on. Some others will also tell you that they need more money to complete your, in this case, cleansing ritual, because they need to buy more candles, herbs, amulets, etc.

 

If you see this, you need to beware because it's probably nothing more but a cheap trick to rip you off.

 

Don't be fooled by people telling you that you need different colored candles, different types of herbs (unless you are going to ingest them, but that's different), different types of tools, and so on because you don't--all of that stuff that you see being used are nothing but tools used to aid in their concentration: they do not make the magick, healing, cleansing, or anything "stronger" or more potent.

 

Magick, spells, healing rituals, etc are only ever as strong as the person casting/performing it. Spells in and of themselves have no strength to do anything. Analogy: Microsoft Works Word Processor is only as productive as the person using it. It can't write your papers for you; it's only a tool that depends on the skill of the person using it.

 

She is of Hispanic descent. I am Caucasian and I've dated Hispanics (one for 7 months another for 4 1/2 yrs) and also a Muslim (less then a month).

 

I have learned that those two cultures use a lot of voodoo and such.

 

It's true that all of this metaphysical stuff is widely known and believed in amongst the Hispanic community, yes. Unfortunately, many people have misconceptions as to what the metaphysical, the ocult, and magick mean, thinking they are "bad" things and that those who practice it or partake in it in any way are going to be "condemned to hell" because it is the doing of the "devil and it's deamons."

 

Yea, okay. Big misconception.

 

And as far as voo doo goes, I don't think that many Hispanics practice voodoo, per se, because a lot of them tend to think, alike many other people, that voo doo is the epitome of evilness, when it's really not.

 

Voo doo is typically characterized as barbaric, primitive, and sexually licentious, based upon mere superstition and spectacle.

 

The core essense of voo doo is that in life and in the Universe, there are no accidents--that nothing and that no event has life on its own; that the Universe is all one, and that each thing effects something else.

 

Voo doo is just a very old religion, whose structure, as we know it today, originated somewhere in Haiti during the Euro colonization of Hispaniola.

 

It's not the emodiment of Satan, reall.

 

But anyway, for what you are looking into doing, I highly doubt voo doo will be your choice.

 

Is there anyone who can give me any insight to this stuff and help me understand some of the dynamics in all this stuff.

 

Is this stuff real?

 

Yikes. That would take a massively long post. And actually, I think I wrote one not too long ago--god knows what for--but I'll try to make it short:

 

Magick--"this stuff"--is composed of many, many different beliefs, but those beliefs aren't its sole source of its composition. Facts, experiences, theories, hypothesis, experiments, practice, etc--these are the things that also make up how we define this...stuff. As has been demonstrated to many unbelievers in my experience: something doesn't necessarily need you to believe in it to make it happen.

 

Of course, the greatest questions seem to be: "Is this really real? Does it really work? How do you know? How do you know that "magick" is what caused X thing to happen, and that is wasn't just a coincidence?"

 

But well, just how do we know if anything is really real? I know I have absolutely no clue whatsoever. All I know for certain is that this is the world I awake in every morning, and well, that just has to count for something. So much happens in this world which I don't understand--much less be able to explain, like why entropy works and why in the world my back pack in intent on relocating itself during the night so that I can never, ever find it in the mornings. Stupid back pack.

 

Anyway, I'd like to think that sooner or later, we will realize that repetition is the great cosmic teacher of humanity. After all, without natural cycles repeating themselves over and over, we wouldn't be able to understand patterns as we observed them in nature. Without understanding patterns, we wouldn't have discovered astrology or anything else that would need repetition to demonstrate its foundation in reality. And of course, you can't get by convincing someone on just one example; you need several. That's case after case after case repeating a point to reinforce something's consistency with reality. When something's consistency with reality is reinforced, your belief in it is reinforced too, isn't it?

 

Well, when the magick-related "coincidences" keep on repeating themselves in your life, they really start to add up after time. How many times would you need to repeat the experiment to decide that X really does lead to Y? It's up to you to decide; you're the one debating over whether to believe in something or not.

 

I am a Christian and never believed in any of this stuff. I am beginning to think there maybe some realism in it all. If I believe in heaven and hell and God and Satan exhaust. I'm thinking that this curse, hex, voodoo, witchcraft stuff is real and true also.

 

I don't see how Christianity can be any easier to prove than "this stuff" (I haven't decided how I want to call it yet :laugh:).

 

The problem is that a lot of Christians tend to think and teach that anything related to witchcraft is a product of the Devil, and as such should be avoided at all costs, and reprimanded and rebuked at every chance.

 

But this is just not so.

 

Imo, there is nothing essentially evil about these things. They simply are. However, if you want to make and use these things for evil and malicious purposes, then of course they will be. It's just like that knife you have in your kitchen cabinet: you can use it to slice a cake or somebody's throat.

 

Is the knife evil? Is it a tool of the Devil? Of course not. But if you used it for the latter, then you might be.

 

See what I'm saying?

 

And all of this about "black magick" or "white magick" or "gray magick" and blah blah--wtf? This is not a videogame where you magick levels up and has different colors and crap.

 

Magick/this stuff has no moral colors. It's just is. Saying things like white magick and black magick is like trying to assign moral colors to Nature: white wind if it's pleasing to you, black wind if a tornado rips down your house. All you'll be accomplishing is trying to dictate what's morally wrong and right based on how comfortable or uncomfortable something makes you feel.

 

karma

 

A word on Karma:

 

Why do people subscribe their misfortunes to Karma?

 

First off, Karma originates from Hinduism and has to do with the belief that what you do in this life will determine what happens to you in the next life. That's all, really.

 

Second, Karma, as most people "know" it, has been remade and popularized by many people into something entirely different. Now it seems that everyone has their own personal definition of what Karma is: a vengeful and punishing divine force; the "threefold law" used by the Wiccans; "what goes around comes around"; "what you send out will return to you"; and so on.

 

There are even some people who have deified Karma, and invoke this deity in threatening tones: "Don't curse people or Karma will kick your ass from here to Texas!"

 

You know what? Screw Karma. The thing is that sh*t happens whether you are good or bad, and that you are far better off realizing and accepting it for what it is, rather than blaming poor Karma.

 

This gf has offered me to join her when she goes down there because for the past 9 years my life has been a mess and I all of my relationships are dysfunctional or I create some kind of dysfunction when I know that my confusion isn't real. I feel out of control. I've had a few wonderful and amazing men come into my life and something about the way I've handled them has pushed them away.

 

If you believe that going to a spritual healer or a holistic doctor is called for, then go for it. You won't be condemned to hell, really. And no, it's not the Devil or Satan cleansing you, it's just that person you see, and perhaps the other little persons you don't see.

 

Spritual healers/"curanderos" are great for escorting out any negativity you have inside of you, that prevents you flowing through life in a more free, and positive manner. For the moment, anyway.

 

Yes, they can do it and it might be helpful and beneficial to you in more than just this aspect.

 

However, I personally don't think that you need this. From this last quote, it seems to me that you have some internal issues that prevent you from forming or keeping any significant relationships in your life. I don't think it's a curse or a hex--I just think they are internal issues you need to identify, recognize, and deal with in order to be able to remove them and rise above them.

 

You don't need any holistic healer for this, imo. What you may need are some good and sincere chats with your innerself, and possibly an appointment with a therapist to help you out if you can't do it all by yourself, which is normal--I know I can't. :)

 

The one thing I really believe is that you should never feel out of control of your own life--if you do, then take it as a sign that it's time to reassert your self and take back that control, because so long as you are not the one in control, then another is, and so long as another is, nothing will ever go the exact way you want it to.

 

Erm, hope that . . . helps. >__<

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AWWWWW GREAT!!!

 

Now I have a LONG response to post tonight from HOME!!! Thanks a bunch....!!!

 

Seriously, I have a lot to say about this post.....I hope you stay online for a while to hear what I have to say about this.......

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the black and white thing are just references to what the curandero embraces: White refers to someone who uses his/her God-given talent to heal and attributes this gift to God ... he's just the conduit. Black would mean that the folk-healer does it for the forces of evil.

 

most of the Mexican folk medicine practictioners (esp. down in South Texas) are Mexican, and I dare say, are Catholic. So they're very accustomed to the practice of petitioning God through certain "prayer warriors" (called saints) to help a person heal. I know it sounds very mystical and prolly hokey, but these folks really are just using the gift they've been given to help others. Really, it's mostly common sense stuff that you could get at a doctor's office, but spiritually based and a heck of a lot cheaper, lol.

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Well, sorry about that......my kids needed me last night. Had to build, "cars" out of cardboard boxes for a play.....ANYWAYS>.....

Unfortunately, many people have misconceptions as to what the metaphysical, the ocult, and magick mean, thinking they are "bad" things and that those who practice it or partake in it in any way are going to be "condemned to hell" because it is the doing of the "devil and it's deamons."

 

Yea, okay. Big misconception.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're going to be condemned to hell.....but some of us do have it on a better authority, (a little higher up than you), that these practices are best to steer away from and not have anything to do with it at all.
I don't see how Christianity can be any easier to prove than "this stuff"
It's really quite simple actually.....simply re-read what you just posted, and think about the reality that it's not natural at all. These patterns that you so are by intellegent design.....
The problem is that a lot of Christians tend to think and teach that anything related to witchcraft is a product of the Devil, and as such should be avoided at all costs, and reprimanded and rebuked at every chance.

 

But this is just not so.

Not reprimanded, rebuked......yeah maybe......but best for all of us to just avoid it. By, "every chance", I don't see a band of Christians running around with crosses hunting for these meetings to bust it up and string the participant up in the rafters......have you??

 

Anything that promotes healing, (physically or Spiritually), with song, chants and prayer other than to and about God is against God. You may call it witchcraft, but we call it blasphemy.

 

Gotta get to work.....

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WOW... Lots of good responses. Thank you everyone.

 

In an attempt to make a decision over my heart desires I have failed myself again. My decisions couldn't overcome my heart.

 

I won't go to south Texas for a healing.

 

I do have a councelor and I see her weekly.

 

I'm needing to just sit back, make decisions when I need to---when appropriate, soul search, be true to myself, be honest with others so they can make their own decisions also.

 

I'm finding I'm fibbing a little here or there to keep the peace and not loose someone that I dont' want to loose. I know I am taking away these other peoples choices by manipulating or squewing the truth. I also don't want to hurt anyone.

 

I konw I am being selfish in my current reality.

 

I need to stop myself now before I make a bigger mess out of my life by trying to control outcomes..

 

I know something is off in my life. I can't figure it out. Its been going on for too many years and I just want it all to stop and let me be happy and content.

 

My head is spinning today. I had a terrible night, yet it was also very good because reality and much truth came forth with someone.

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Well accupuncture does work........ so does accupressure.

 

And if it makes your mind think it is working and it works...... well then it works! :D I think that is the basis of prayer kinda isn't it..????.. you believe, you do, you feel results. Maybe God gave these people the power to heal??

 

Anywho I know that accupunture works because I use it on animals. Animals don't make things up nor have significant results because they believe in it.

 

I had a 30 year old crippled donkey severe neglect..... long story short after his first treatment he jumped out of his stall the next day. He had cushings to boot. I have treated dogs and horses with a combination of holistic, chinese herbal rems, and accupunture...... it does work. I also use traditional medicine for them. Our vet went to China often to stay brushed up on her skills. Now she moved to CA so have to find a new holistic vet.

 

I am calling soon to make my first appt for accupuncture for myself this week for my back and freakin eye twitch. ;) <eye twitch smilie> traditional doctors cannot seem to get the job done.drugs surgery options only, I don't like drugs unless they are for fun and nobody is diggin at me with sharp pointy things.... if some hocus pocus fixes it well so be it! Ring some bells, beat on a drum, and align my shackracacas :lmao:

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Well accupuncture does work........ so does accupressure.
I don't think anyone is doubting that.
And if it makes your mind think it is working and it works...... well then it works! I think that is the basis of prayer kinda isn't it..????..
Ummmmm,........no.
Maybe God gave these people the power to heal??
Singing/chanting canned phrases, burning candles and incense is not from God.

 

If God gave a man the power to heal, then he would simply be able to make it so without even touching the person. Furthermore, if God did give this power to these people, it couldn't / wouldn't be used for profit.

 

The account of the Roman Soldier who had a sick servant comes to mind. The Soldier asked Jesus to heal the servant, others there thought for sure that Jesus would have to take the long journey to this Roman's house.

 

To everyone's surprise, the ROMAN simply told Jesus that he knew all Jesus had to do was speak it, and make it so. When the Roman got home, his servant was healed.

 

Jesus taught us that if we had enough faith in Him, we could do the same and even exceed past what He's shown or been able to do while He was here in the flesh.

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I won't go to south Texas for a healing.

 

honey! Just skip the curandero visit and go soak up the food and the culture, I swear you won't be disappointed. Of course, I'm rather biased :p :p :p

 

singing/chanting canned phrases, burning candles and incense is not from God.

 

but it can & is used to venerate and worship God – we do those things at Mass, and they all have theological meaning (candles and incense are physical reminders of prayers and worship being offered up, etc., though I have to admit I don't like when incense is used because frankly, it's stinky and it makes my eyes itch).

 

If God gave a man the power to heal, then he would simply be able to make it so without even touching the person. Furthermore, if God did give this power to these people, it couldn't / wouldn't be used for profit.

 

again, a lot of curanderos I've heard about attribute their gift to God and are adament about saying it's him, not them. It'd be similar to what you find when you go to a doctor's office, but they charge out the wa-hoo and rarely discuss faith or God with their patients for their gift that helps people heal ...

 

I guess that if there's one thing we all can safely agree upon is that treatment isn't limited to traditional Western medicinal practice (which don't include herbal medicine treatments or accupuncture/pressure) and that there's more to physiological healing (must also address spiritual issues of illness/pain/disease/mental health).

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