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Old 24th August 2017, 6:46 PM   #16
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What career do you have?
Lots and lots of Criminals. 2nd largest criminal court in nation.
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i believe that virtues are important to teach in the home and any church it is what will bring communities together and any religion that teaches virtue either small or mega churches adds value to the community...always .sorry tried to add that to original post........deb
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Old 24th August 2017, 6:55 PM   #18
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Fuddy dudies.

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Wait! I just remembered this article. Some excellent historical quotes from fuddy duddies complaining about young people's behaviour and declining morals

15 Historical Complaints About Young People Ruining Everything | Mental Floss
Now you are making me belly laugh. The loss I feel is not from the doom our youth will bring. I see my son sacrifice and serve his country. I see my teenage daughter show compassion for a suffering animal. But at an earlier age the are exposed to so much violence and hate I see so many of the younger kids feeling like it's hopeless. Overwhelming. And some even pointless to embrace what they value most. It's sad.
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i believe that virtues are important to teach in the home and any church it is what will bring communities together and any religion that teaches virtue either small or mega churches adds value to the community...always .sorry tried to add that to original post........deb
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Now you are making me belly laugh. The loss I feel is not from the doom our youth will bring. I see my son sacrifice and serve his country. I see my teenage daughter show compassion for a suffering animal. But at an earlier age the are exposed to so much violence and hate I see so many of the younger kids feeling like it's hopeless. Overwhelming. And some even pointless to embrace what they value most. It's sad.
Yes, our kids are exposed to suffering and violence. But I think it's important to make sure that they know how to stop and look at all the good in the world too.

In any terrible situation, look for those who go out of their way to help others. Most of the time, you will see them.
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Old 24th August 2017, 8:56 PM   #21
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I feel that in general the older people get, the more they care about themselves and their immediate family than anyone else.
So whilst your daughter and her friends may seem to be more caring, once they get their own family around them, others do not matter so much.
Most people are all for the rights of the disadvantaged, the weak and the vulnerable when young, but by the time they age they are more worried about what they and their family are getting out of life than anything else and the weak and the poor are then looked upon as "scroungers" and "losers"...
^ Because by then they know what it takes to pick themselves up and it's not feeling sorry for themselves.
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Old 24th August 2017, 9:13 PM   #22
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Lots and lots of Criminals. 2nd largest criminal court in nation.
Yes, it can get to you. I see some court stuff, fed stuff mostly these days, but I honestly think the worst is still child custody battles for making you lose faith in humanity. I'm really asking for it, though, because aside from my work, my hobby is crime and I have been interested in sick minds since I was like in 8th grade and 64 now, so I've just immersed myself in it. But I am usually able to just naturally balance it out. My pets are my daily joy and just my yard and having a nice meal. Simple things.

When I take a stance on issues, like what's going on right now, I'm often at odds with my more idealistic friends because I know crime stats and come at if from the dry angle of who is actually committing what type of crimes and who is mostly obnoxious bluster. I find it frustrating when my closest friends can't conceive of something like sex trafficking happening to their daughter, that type of thing, because I see the details, see how all-pervasive it is. I see how the photo of the escort on a website or publication ties back to actual victims. I blanch whenever my friend used to tell me she only leaves her kid with people who live inside the gated apartment community, because I see the suits on how lax landlords are and how that's no protection at all. It usually is someone you know, someone you trust.

I do get depressed sometimes. It's important to keep doing what you love aside from the dark stuff. You should see my twitter. It's 5 parts retweeting crime stories, yucking it up with police because I now make a conscious effort to support them, and ranting about the un-PC stuff the news glosses over. And then the other 50 percent is animal and pet photos and just happy stuff. Because animals really are the good guys. But a few people are too. they're just not as pure.
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Old 25th August 2017, 6:07 PM   #23
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Yes, it can get to you. I see some court stuff, fed stuff mostly these days, but I honestly think the worst is still child custody battles for making you lose faith in humanity. I'm really asking for it, though, because aside from my work, my hobby is crime and I have been interested in sick minds since I was like in 8th grade and 64 now, so I've just immersed myself in it. But I am usually able to just naturally balance it out. My pets are my daily joy and just my yard and having a nice meal. Simple things.

When I take a stance on issues, like what's going on right now, I'm often at odds with my more idealistic friends because I know crime stats and come at if from the dry angle of who is actually committing what type of crimes and who is mostly obnoxious bluster. I find it frustrating when my closest friends can't conceive of something like sex trafficking happening to their daughter, that type of thing, because I see the details, see how all-pervasive it is. I see how the photo of the escort on a website or publication ties back to actual victims. I blanch whenever my friend used to tell me she only leaves her kid with people who live inside the gated apartment community, because I see the suits on how lax landlords are and how that's no protection at all. It usually is someone you know, someone you trust.

I do get depressed sometimes. It's important to keep doing what you love aside from the dark stuff. You should see my twitter. It's 5 parts retweeting crime stories, yucking it up with police because I now make a conscious effort to support them, and ranting about the un-PC stuff the news glosses over. And then the other 50 percent is animal and pet photos and just happy stuff. Because animals really are the good guys. But a few people are too. they're just not as pure.
Thank you for your words. I think you get at my need. Balance. Yes the kid cases are horrifying. And i really relate to your sentimate about your animals. I do find comfort in them because the comfort without condition. I think when I started this thread I was feeling disheartened by it all. I see crimes where parents are encouraging their children to kick people to death and the children do as they are told because it's their only sense of normal.
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Old 25th August 2017, 8:44 PM   #24
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Thank you for your words. I think you get at my need. Balance. Yes the kid cases are horrifying. And i really relate to your sentimate about your animals. I do find comfort in them because the comfort without condition. I think when I started this thread I was feeling disheartened by it all. I see crimes where parents are encouraging their children to kick people to death and the children do as they are told because it's their only sense of normal.
What some parents are teaching children these days is very disturbing. They want change, but they are at least a big portion of the problem because the perpetuate the hate to their kids.

Of course, I'm in Dallas where we had officers killed last year, but I just make a point of looking for the good side, the cops who take some kids to school who missed their bus or buy an elderly person a window AC out of their own pocket and install it. The news mainly seems to sensationalize bad news, and you have to kind of look for good news, but it's out there in our communities every day. When push comes to shove and someone is in trouble, usually everyone will come together. There was a heartening news article a few months ago when someone was trapped on their car in a flood and a group of passerbys, people, of literally every type, made a human chain and saved him. I retweeted a video today of a group of random people in Brazil who dug a trench in the sand and water to save a humongous but baby whale, and it was so great because once free, he really slapped his tail on the water and took off and the people were all splashing the water in joy. You have to not just watch the news but look for the happier stuff to balance out your day-to-day depressing stuff.

I remember back probably 10 years ago a rape trial. You end up knowing things that the media can't publish. The thing that stuck with me from that one was he raped her behind a dumpster, and while he was raping her, he got his porn magazine out and was looking at IT instead of her. And the worst of it was, the officer who testified said this was extremely common in rapes, that the guy would be watching porn while he did it. I was so shocked by that and have never forgotten it.

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Old 26th August 2017, 10:57 AM   #25
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I remember back probably 10 years ago a rape trial. You end up knowing things that the media can't publish. The thing that stuck with me from that one was he raped her behind a dumpster, and while he was raping her, he got his porn magazine out and was looking at IT instead of her. And the worst of it was, the officer who testified said this was extremely common in rapes, that the guy would be watching porn while he did it. I was so shocked by that and have never forgotten it.
So was he using the porn to turn himself on enough to rape her, or was it perverted stuff and he was using it as some sort of a manual? or a bit of both.
I despair.

We seem so technologically advanced and culturally sophisticated and we live in a "golden" world in the West, but the reality of life for many still seems to be touched by barbarism and violence.
Humans are a blood thirsty lot and so that trait is never far from the surface.
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Old 26th August 2017, 11:26 AM   #26
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The last 30-40 years, the parenting has sucked...That's led us to where we are at this point...And its probably worse now than it was ever...

As a parent of a 14 year old, you simply would not believe what parents let kids get away with...They dress like slobs, are rude/impolite, slovenly and overweight, smoke/vape/smoke weed, have sex, etc..All under their parents noses...And this is from a place that is middle -upper to upper class...Id imagine in the poorer areas its even worse..

They treat their own parents like crap, and the parents seemingly do nothing about it...They are probably too wrapped up in their own lives/problems and just don't demand anything from their kids...Too much time trying to be their kids BFF or some other shyt......

So what kind of adults do you expect those kids to become...??

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Old 26th August 2017, 11:37 AM   #27
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First it seems that the basic understanding of the term for people under the age of 35 is questionable. For example, do we as a society as a whole value integrity? I can list many others.like common sense, logic and many other things it seems to be a lost concept. Do we attribute this to the break down of families, traditions, the disappearance of small community churches replaced by mega churches and social media?
The further we get from God (people and society) the worse everything becomes. It's that simple.
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Old 26th August 2017, 5:02 PM   #28
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So was he using the porn to turn himself on enough to rape her, or was it perverted stuff and he was using it as some sort of a manual? or a bit of both.
I despair.

We seem so technologically advanced and culturally sophisticated and we live in a "golden" world in the West, but the reality of life for many still seems to be touched by barbarism and violence.
Humans are a blood thirsty lot and so that trait is never far from the surface.
It was just garden variety. Rape almost always includes forced fellatio but it was just him needing to do it with a two-dimensional woman because he can't handle a real one.

If I had to get inside his cesspool of a mind, I would say that this is simply the very essence of objectifying women. If I had to guess, I'd say he spent a lot of time masturbating and probably had trouble with live women. But he wanted the tactile experience, so he grabbed one, whoever was handy, and then did his usual thing with the woman in the magazine while he got himself off. You know, you'd be surprised what a high number of rapists are inadequate in both the broader psychological sense and downstairs. They are inadequate psychologically to interact normally with a woman. So they incapacitate and rape and in this case, do their best to pretend she's anything more than a vessel. And I can't remember if this one was literally inadequate as well. I don't think so, but a lot of them also rape strangers (preferably unconscious ones) because they can't even get it up. This way they don't have to deal with failure to launch if it happens.

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I attribute it to a steady mudslide in parenting and role modeling, plus overreliance on internet and social media and not enough real-life interaction where you can't get away with so much crap or you won't have any friends or dates.

Social media makes people lazy. People don't have to work for anything anymore, and live in this nether world of false popularity and being liked. You have to be quite grounded or smart enough to see through all the junk, and i'm not sure how many people are, to the extent of completely blocking it out.

I've cancelled mine. Today. Don't regret it, and figure that not ONE person will care, and i'm probably right! Got sick of being a target to be a) marketed to, and b) an object to reinforce certain people's popularity.
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l do in all sorts of ways, most def'.
Just read through any dating threads and the like to not even to scratch the surface.
The in your face over exposure to "everything " now , the whole internet and media l think will turn out to be the most destroying thing man's come up with yet, worse than bombs or weapons, when we see where all this leads to in 20 or 50yrs time.
It's just mind boggling sad to think where all this and kids growing up then and people will be in 20 yrs time.

And l tell ya , what some schools are teaching kids these days is disturbing too and that's putting it politely.
Even the way they're teaching but you'd think we could at least still feel safe in education if anywhere wouldn't you. l'm just glad my daughters coming out of her education and schools soon and not starting in prep. And that she was already 12 when all the chat apps really started taking off.

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