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Old 3rd January 2018, 11:39 PM   #46
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I do and don't agree... Yes genetics is huge, and no amount of expensive eye creams are going to get rid of dark under eye circles for example.
Yeah bone structure and deep tissues of the face give most of the 'looks' of a person and they can hardly be changed without a drastic surgery if that.

Undereye circles are a pretty good example: depending how the eye sockets are situated one will have or not bad ones. Sleep matters ... a little.

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But diet does make a difference between healthy, and oily, or dry, angry skin.
Yeah, to some extent. But you need to have a heck of a diet swithc to go from dry to oily. It is mainly a hormonal thing: i.e. it can't be regulated with skincare/diet/etc.

Also for diet people metabolize stuff differently based on their genetics. I never noticed sugar to have any effect on my skin. If I eat lots of protein though: I get immediately puffy AF. I never understood what can cause that, it is the opposite of what mainstream diet fanatics will recommend.

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And makeup?! There are some real wizards out there. The examples are many, but this girl for instance, you can't tell me make up made her look only 5% better.
Make up
Not to be mean here, but this is 'Instagram's make up. It looks good on a picture (with some airbrushing) but in person... . Nevertheless the woman in the link has a great base (eyes, lips, bone structure) to start with...

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Out here in California, a lot of people spend time outdoors and in the sun. Heck, I can see the effects on most of my friends from high school. We are all outdoorsy types, except for when they were tanning, I was covering up.

(side note, but its common to see local Asian women with driving gloves, massive sun hats or even masks, umbrellas on sunny days etc. They know about sun damage and avoid it on their fair skin)

Now I get comments like "don't you age?!" and I joke about hey - remember when you all teased me for never getting a tan!
Ha, that's very true though! You can easily tell if someone was outdoorsy type when they were young especially in the older generations where people will not use sun protection.

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Yep, I am going to brag here. People comment on my skin often. They act flabbergasted when I tell them I am 39, and say that the skin on my face makes me appear 10-15 years younger.

You know what got my skin really glowing? Simplifying my routine.

I use Cetaphil cleanser twice a day. A daytime retinal cream with SPF, and a night time retinal cream.

Thats it. This has taken my what used to be blotchy complexion with oily and dry zones to SMOOTH, clear, moisturized and supple.

I used to sell hocus pocus for $100 a half once. I have used some spendy skin care regimes as I was a rep for them in college. My skin looks better now than it ever did with this very very simple and cheap routine.
You got it right Basically it is about all that you need, except maybe exfoliation. TBH consistency matters more than ingredients.
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Old 3rd January 2018, 11:48 PM   #47
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https://wellnessmama.com/15283/astaxanthin-benefits/

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...-benefits.aspx

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzy-...b_2750910.html

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=

https://www.cyanotech.com/pdfs/bioastin/batl33.pdf (clinical study)

https://www.sunsaferx.com/health-and-wellness/astaxanthin-wrinkle-preventing-wonder-compound/

Life Extension Magazine April 2013astaxanthin-provides-broad-spectrum-protection/page-01

Just a few articles about sun protection and astaxanthin, including a clinical study report. If you use it be sure to use it for three or four weeks to let it build up in your system before exposing yourself to the sun. I would also test it out to see how your individual skin physiology reacts with it before using it without clothing or sunscreen in the tropics or at the beach all day long.

For ordinary usage, I've found it to be great but I wouldn't spend all day on the beach during summer after having had no sun exposure all winter and expect it to totally protect me. I would experiment with it first.

This is only one health benefit of this antioxidant. There are many.

For instance, without astaxanthin salmon couldn't swim upstream at the end of their lives because it supports muscle strength.

I believe astronauts use it in their regimens and many athletes do, too.

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Old 3rd January 2018, 11:58 PM   #48
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Unless you're a real, natural beauty people can be quite openly rude at times or catty if they see you without makeup. Especially if they normally see you wearing it. The world is very hard on women.

If I didn't need it I wouldn't wear it at all... I don't like the time it takes to put it on and just feel it's a whole big hassle. When I go out without makeup, a pair of dark sunglasses keeps people from telling me I look 'tired."

Tell me, what right do they think they have to come up to your face and tell you how awful you look? "Tired" is just a tamed down way of telling you that. It's always insulting!

Everyone is focused on a woman's looks in a way they never are with men. It's another burden we have to put up with.
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Yeah bone structure and deep tissues of the face give most of the 'looks' of a person and they can hardly be changed without a drastic surgery if that.

Undereye circles are a pretty good example: depending how the eye sockets are situated one will have or not bad ones. Sleep matters ... a little.



Yeah, to some extent. But you need to have a heck of a diet swithc to go from dry to oily. It is mainly a hormonal thing: i.e. it can't be regulated with skincare/diet/etc.

Also for diet people metabolize stuff differently based on their genetics. I never noticed sugar to have any effect on my skin. If I eat lots of protein though: I get immediately puffy AF. I never understood what can cause that, it is the opposite of what mainstream diet fanatics will recommend.



Not to be mean here, but this is 'Instagram's make up. It looks good on a picture (with some airbrushing) but in person... . Nevertheless the woman in the link has a great base (eyes, lips, bone structure) to start with...



Ha, that's very true though! You can easily tell if someone was outdoorsy type when they were young especially in the older generations where people will not use sun protection.


You got it right Basically it is about all that you need, except maybe exfoliation. TBH consistency matters more than ingredients.
I agree. it's 99.9% genetics. Aging is not only about skin. If you look at babies they have wrinkles under their eyes esp when smiling. It's not really about sunspots either. Freckles aren't a definite marker.

The skin also losing collagen and elastin, but I don't think topicals do anything for that since it's in the deep layers. The the change in underlying structure itself happens. The orbital rim gets larger from shrinkage and the midface, jaw bone, all the bones in face and cartilage change.

When the orbital bone starts resporption, the tissue under the eye becomes lax and eye bags happen. The bags aren't about the skin itself, but the cheek and under eye structure

https://i.stack.imgur.com/tk5IM.jpg

Hormonally as well the retention of water in the skin can makes it puffy too


Living water - Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. Even before I heard all that stuff about sunscreen I didn't like it. It makes me feel all dry and chalky and it smells weird.


Fair - Good point. Sadly, it's often women making comments like that to other women when we should be supporting each other and lifting each other up.
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Old 4th January 2018, 12:25 AM   #50
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Everyone is focused on a woman's looks in a way they never are with men. It's another burden we have to put up with.
Oh men get it too. Just focus is elsewhere: e.g. height for man is big, and itís really something they canít do anything about..
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Old 4th January 2018, 12:29 AM   #51
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I agree. it's 99.9% genetics. Aging is not only about skin. If you look at babies they have wrinkles under their eyes esp when smiling. It's not really about sunspots either. Freckles aren't a definite marker.

The skin also losing collagen and elastin, but I don't think topicals do anything for that since it's in the deep layers. The the change in underlying structure itself happens. The orbital rim gets larger from shrinkage and the midface, jaw bone, all the bones in face and cartilage change.

When the orbital bone starts resporption, the tissue under the eye becomes lax and eye bags happen. The bags aren't about the skin itself, but the cheek and under eye structure

https://i.stack.imgur.com/tk5IM.jpg

Hormonally as well the retention of water in the skin can makes it puffy.
Yeah - great explanation.

I believe most people realize this to some extent but we really need to feel in control (even if we need a help of a placebo),
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Old 4th January 2018, 12:36 AM   #52
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Yesss. but doesn't have to be a bad thing. Change is inevitable part of life. I want embrace every change as a sign of experience and wisdom and a life well lived. I see a lot of beauty in that.

Plus I happen to like eye bags. They call them aegyo sal in korea xD

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Yesss. but doesn't have to be a bad thing. Change is inevitable part of life. I want embrace every change as a sign of experience and wisdom and a life well lived and I see a lot of beauty in that.

Plus I happen to like eye bags. They call them aegyo sal in korea xD

me too for embracing... and a sense of ...freedom...:0)...eye wrinkles at the corners of the eye are most often call by lots of laffin and smilin...laff and you get wrinkles...i think i might enjoy laffin..and definitely smilin and not cover them or try to ......deb
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Living water - Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. Even before I heard all that stuff about sunscreen I didn't like it. It makes me feel all dry and chalky and it smells weird.
Sure, Cookiesandough. You're going to love what it does for your skin and also for your coloring. Remember to get the natural rather than the synthetic. The capsules are 4 mg and you're supposed to begin with 4 and work up to about 12 mg. I can't take more than 4 mg, though, as it gives me too much energy!
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Unless you're a real, natural beauty people can be quite openly rude at times or catty if they see you without makeup. Especially if they normally see you wearing it. The world is very hard on women.

If I didn't need it I wouldn't wear it at all... I don't like the time it takes to put it on and just feel it's a whole big hassle. When I go out without makeup, a pair of dark sunglasses keeps people from telling me I look 'tired."
I know a lot of regular, average looking girls that don't wear makeup at all. Like others have said, the issues come about when people are used to seeing you in makeup, and then suddenly you aren't wearing any. They don't always realize why you look different today, they just see that you look different.

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Tell me, what right do they think they have to come up to your face and tell you how awful you look? "Tired" is just a tamed down way of telling you that. It's always insulting!

Everyone is focused on a woman's looks in a way they never are with men. It's another burden we have to put up with.
Men get it worse we just don't care. No one is gonna tell me I look tired as some sort of code that I just look bad. They will just come out and tell me I look like s**t today. Difference is, men just shrug about it, we don't get upset and claim our gender is being treated unfairly.
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If we are talking about fair skin, sun absolutely causes damage. I have certainly seen its affects first hand. Growing up in a beach town, where women loved to tan, we started coining the phase "leather skin ladies". Saw the same thing among my fellow equestrians (we spend a lot of time outside). Wrinkled, spotted, dry skin.
I also grew up around a beach town and noticed the same thing. Those beautiful, sun-loving ladies from my youth all have leathery, wrinkled skin now. They all have the boobs of a 20-year-old and the face of a 45-year-old.
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Oh men get it too. Just focus is elsewhere: e.g. height for man is big, and it’s really something they can’t do anything about..
I have my doubts. People might 'think' unflattering things about men but do they really say things to them like,.. "ooh, you're so SHORT." ... or - insert any other insult about their looks.

I don't think so. I don't see it. You might hear the odd whispered comment behind their backs but even that is rare. The man himself never hears it. Women... nobody cares... they get called fat, ugly... the most horribly insulting things right to their faces as if these people think they have the god given right to tell her.. as if she owes it to society, and specifically to men, to be pretty.

Men at worst get fairly good natured teasing sometimes if they're overweight for example... women get downright anger and hostility directed at them for not looking they way society says they 'should.'
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I also grew up around a beach town and noticed the same thing. Those beautiful, sun-loving ladies from my youth all have leathery, wrinkled skin now. They all have the boobs of a 20-year-old and the face of a 45-year-old.
Ha ha... perhaps being Canadian the cold weather has done me some good then. I'm over forty and look like I'm 25... there's my first not so humble brag of 2018.
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Men get it worse we just don't care. No one is gonna tell me I look tired as some sort of code that I just look bad. They will just come out and tell me I look like s**t today. Difference is, men just shrug about it, we don't get upset and claim our gender is being treated unfairly.
Ah, but men and women are socialized differently. Women's worth as human beings in our twisted society are tied up with our looks in everyone's mind whether they're conscious of it or not, whereas men aren't valued solely for their looks, so it's a far different scenario. No one hates a man or devalues him for looking like sh**. But women get a far different message.
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No makeup... I'm pretty without it! 😀
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