feminists driving men away...video

[darkmoon]

after men got tired of being put in the wrong by women who were too critical over diddly-squat pretty much, the Sexodus happened...

 

 

some1 will tell me i am wrong and men are terrible, no, i see plenty nice guys on loveshack

 

are we women just glorified nags these days?

 

see the film, see what you think

[ktya]

Feminists sure as hell drive me away.

 

I'm no chauvinist. I used to be a sous chef and I love to cook, I have no problem doing my own laundry (but I hate folding it), I've had kids in my life and I've taught them to read and changed diapers without misery, walked them to school. I have no problem cleaning doing dishes or whatever housework. I think it's great that women can vote, work, and attain a higher education.

 

But I'm for EQUALITY.

 

Feminists are for MISANDRY.

 

A girl identifies herself as a feminist, I run, not walk, away.

 

I dont want to be accused of abuse because I withheld money, wanted too much sex, or didnt give enough sex, got into an argument or want a little accountability.

[No Limit]

Feminists also drive plenty of women away. Just sayin'.

[Snaggletooth]

I'm afraid there is a lot of truth in that video. For every action there is a reaction and I'm increasingly seeing men quit on relationships and women, men from all walks of life and of all ages.

[Mangina]

I became a feminist in college because that is what people told me was the right thing. I look back and can not believe how foolish I was.

[Danda]

I get the impression that feminism has been full-blown hijacked as another 'underdog' political puppet in the typical divide-and-conquer scheme.

 

I thought originally feminism was all about celebrating and embracing womanhood and rejecting the shaming of women, that it was about equal respect and acceptance, that it was about understanding that people are equally deserving of respect and acceptance on an inherent level, even if they are not the same (basically being equal =/= being identical). I can recall learning about feminism and such in public school, and the piece on the flapper ladies who didn't wear bras, basically as a statement that their bodies were not shameful and they could be comfortable without caring about what men think of their appearance (or something along those lines, I know teachers always tend to put a biased spin on stuff, even if only slightly).

 

What I thought I understood about feminism fit with my sort of paganistic ideals, as far as balance and appreciating and respecting both the masculine and feminine in life. Basically like, "Yes men and women tend to be different in some ways, but both are valuable and sacred, and important to a healthy and balanced society." That jived well with me.

 

But now that I'm older and pay more willing attention to politics and whatnot, feminism now seems less spiritual and down to earth, less about love and acceptance, and instead it's like.. a demented campaign against the 'evil white man'. Or something. Frankly I think it sucks because I really like what I thought I understood about all of it at first.

[autumnnight]

I fear for my son. Most of the women his age seem to be too busy burning bras and calling a smile a precursor to rape and screaming at the guy who just opened the door for them to be worth much as a GF or wife. Just saying.

 

As much as women-hating men drive me bananas, man-hating women drive me crazy X1000.

[Woggle]

I have no issue with feminists but misandrists who hide behind feminism should be avoided like the plague,

[preraph]

I've literally driven men away before, in my actual car.

 

Seriously, I just think a lot of men aren't strong enough to handle a strong woman. They're programmed from generations of women having to be in a position of weakness because they had no other choice. That didn't make the men stronger overall; it made them weaker, lazier, spoiled. The glory days are over for the men who can't rise to someone more their equal. They're just beginning for the ones who can.

[Woggle]

I've literally driven men away before, in my actual car.

 

Seriously, I just think a lot of men aren't strong enough to handle a strong woman. They're programmed from generations of women having to be in a position of weakness because they had no other choice. That didn't make the men stronger overall; it made them weaker, lazier, spoiled. The glory days are over for the men who can't rise to someone more their equal. They're just beginning for the ones who can.

 

Hating half the population is not a sign of strength. Strong people don't need to bring others down to bring themselves up.

[nofeelings22]

Feminists also drive plenty of women away. Just sayin'.

 

 

True that. A huge number of younger women completely denounce feminism for their own personal path.

 

Of course, they have the original feminists to thank for having these options now, but the message of feminism isk viewed negatively by most women I know.

 

Many also lament the role reversals of the sexes and long for a true man.

 

On top of that, there were some nasty side effects feminism had, like drugs have:

 

1) now it takes 2 people to support a family

2) Women have careers but are still expected to be full fledged women

3) Child birth and rearing pleasures are interrupted by work

4) day care

5) Poorer nutrition for the entire family

6) Less free time in both the woman's and the man's day

 

While it worked... there is equality... overall it seems to have had a lot of terrible consequences.

[Mangina]

I've literally driven men away before, in my actual car.

 

Seriously, I just think a lot of men aren't strong enough to handle a strong woman. They're programmed from generations of women having to be in a position of weakness because they had no other choice. That didn't make the men stronger overall; it made them weaker, lazier, spoiled. The glory days are over for the men who can't rise to someone more their equal. They're just beginning for the ones who can.

 

The young guys like me that are referred to in the video have been raised by the third wave. What you are refereeing to was over 50 years ago. Your statement is wrong

[Snaggletooth]

I've literally driven men away before, in my actual car.

 

Seriously, I just think a lot of men aren't strong enough to handle a strong woman. They're programmed from generations of women having to be in a position of weakness because they had no other choice. That didn't make the men stronger overall; it made them weaker, lazier, spoiled. The glory days are over for the men who can't rise to someone more their equal. They're just beginning for the ones who can.

 

I agree that many men aren't strong, at least nowadays, but I disagree with the rest, quite frankly it's the kind of horse puckey men are sick of hearing. Men used to give, sacrifice and adjust themselves to women just as women gave, sacrificed and adjusted themselves to men. Those weak, lazy and spoiled men worked all hours in dangerous jobs and stood in front of bullets so their women did not have to do so.

 

Men used to be strong, as were women. Nowadays there are few strong men and few strong women. What's happened over recent decades is that people have been raised soft, spoilt, selfish and to be eternal children. Each sex is a bad as the other. They are increasingly ignorant of how to treat each other and increasingly intolerant of the other sex's nature and ways. Acting like a spoilt brat is not a strength, neither is it being strong. When I look around that is what I see in many women nowadays; spoilt, selfish, neurotic, insecure, entitled brats who think they can do whatever they want without criticism or consequence. Stomping over people, shattering lives and tearing apart families in their own self interest. When I look at many younger men I see soft, spoilt, selfish, weak, lazy, simpering brats with the balls, spine and character of a worm. More concerned with video games and their dick than providing for their families. Neither sex willing to give, sacrifice and adjust themselves to in order to work as a team.

 

Regardless of the childishness of adults today. When one part of the team stops giving and sacrificing, so will the other. A lot of men aren't dealing with strong women, they are dealing with silly, spoilt, selfish, vain, unpleasant, insecure, hen pecking shrews of women. Just as many women are dealing with equally ridiculous men full of fake machismo and simpering vanity.

Edited December 23, 2014 by Snaggletooth

[bachdude]

after men got tired of being put in the wrong by women who were too critical over diddly-squat pretty much, the Sexodus happened...

 

 

some1 will tell me i am wrong and men are terrible, no, i see plenty nice guys on loveshack

 

are we women just glorified nags these days?

 

see the film, see what you think

 

It seems ironic to me that with the rise of third wave feminism is also the discovery by scientists that there are inherent differences in the average male and female brains and that these differences are genetically based. Men and women are, in fact, different on the whole and evolutionary biologists have provided some pretty good theories as to how this came about.

 

Men and women are different and these differences should be celebrated.

[ufo8mycat]

True that. A huge number of younger women completely denounce feminism for their own personal path.

 

Of course, they have the original feminists to thank for having these options now, but the message of feminism isk viewed negatively by most women I know.

 

Many also lament the role reversals of the sexes and long for a true man.

 

On top of that, there were some nasty side effects feminism had, like drugs have:

 

1) now it takes 2 people to support a family

2) Women have careers but are still expected to be full fledged women

3) Child birth and rearing pleasures are interrupted by work

4) day care

5) Poorer nutrition for the entire family

6) Less free time in both the woman's and the man's day

 

While it worked... there is equality... overall it seems to have had a lot of terrible consequences.

 

I suspect this may reflect your social circle. All the women I know view feminism very positively. Both parents work but both parents have taken time out of work to be with family. Something not available to men until very recently and not at all in many circumstances. Few long for a "true man" as they feel they have found a life partner where the support swings both ways. Not that I am really sure what being a "true man" means. Many men I know long for a career break and to pursue their own interests. Having a partner with a kicking job really helps with this.

 

2) can be resolved by men taking on half the parenting and the housework

 

3) many men like being involved with their kids, this isn't the exclusive domain of women (see above)

 

4) again, arguable as to its negative effects. It is also a reality in countries where the cost of living DOES require two incomes

 

5) maybe this is an american thing? I am not really sure of the relevance?

 

6) that is sort of par for the course of having a family. Kids demand time and attention from both parents but surely it is also one of the rewards.

 

I grew up with a very absent father and a stay at home mother. I was far from idea but both performed their assigned gender roles beautifully. I get along really well with my dad but the reality is he had all the benefits of a wife and family and all the benefits of single life during the week. My mother had all the care and responsibility of house and family. I don't see it as idyllic and I much prefer the arrangement my husband and I have. We have both taken timeout of the workforce, we have both been the "housewife" and he suits being at home more than me.

 

Feminism has given both of us the opportunity to be flexible, not tied to status or income. But at the same time, we both have to really not care care what other people think.

[toolforgrowth]

My xWW took and took from the marriage and contributed nothing. She was horrible with money, did virtually no housework, and only worked half the time. We lived in a good single story 1600 sq foot 3 bedroom 2 bath brand new home that she ridiculed because it wasn't her "dream house". In the end she cheated, and I dumped her sorry butt. She still ended yo getting a better deal in the divorce, although things are slowly beginning to even out.

 

It's that sense of entitlement that many men are seeing and experiencing from modern feminism. It's one thing to want to better yourself, entirely another to want something for nothing.

 

I've learned valuable lessons, though. I'm never getting married again, I'm never financing anything with a woman, and my money/assets will remain my money/assets. I will share because I want to, not because I'm obligated to.

[Tayken]

after men got tired of being put in the wrong by women who were too critical over diddly-squat pretty much, the Sexodus happened...

 

 

some1 will tell me i am wrong and men are terrible, no, i see plenty nice guys on loveshack

 

are we women just glorified nags these days?

 

see the film, see what you think

 

Hmmm....is this a trick question? No doubt there are some "good women" out there and here on loveshack, but it's like trying to bag a unicorn.

 

No doubt a lot of men based on experience / what they see from their friends and other men, just don't want to take that risk of ending up with a crazy / flaky / bi-polar type.

[dichotomy]

Women had been denied equal rights, abilities to choose, economic disparities, and in may ways forced into limited roles. Some men abused this position women were put in. I get this. Feminism and social revolutions allowed women the freedom, empowerment and choice to act and be as they wish. Thats great.

 

But ...just because you have the ability - the power - to do as you wish - does not mean you should. Sometimes I think freedom turned into freedom to act badly.

 

Meanwhile men - who were in positions of power, and some (ok maybe alot) had abused this, and been selfish, sexist pigs, poor fathers, were asked by society to be more nurturing, kind, helpful, respectful, compromising in relationships with women and there kids. Many men finally got this -understood and responded - however it was happening at the same time women were experiencing their freedom to act as they wished to not compromise or give in to others. In other words - one side was asked to tone it down, compromise, be accommodating - the other told go wild and do what ever you wish.

 

So now both sides have true equality - they are both giving up on.... giving, sacrifice, compromise and accommodating others in a loving relationship. I see this "idea" in other areas of society and politics as well.

[Frank2thepoint]

The full article that the video talks about is here. I read it a few weeks ago, thought of sharing it with the community but then I relented lest a conflagration of words would ensue.

 

Some of the points on the topic is true. Young men, and even older men, do not know how to navigate an approach or interaction with women. Mostly out of fear for being labeled a creep, a*shole, or accused of harassment. Even if a man is civil, his opinions are relegated as worthless or antagonistic. I've had discussions with women on various topics, and the times some of the women disagreed with me, was solely because I am just a man. I invited these women to provide a proper intellectual argument, just as I brought forth, only to have my opinion nullified just because I have a penis.

 

On the other hand, some young and older men, do complain unjustly, because they haven't even attempted something with women. Hints of it exist with some of issues posted on LS where these men are afraid of just taking a chance, risking to see how much you can achieve. Staying home, playing video games, watching porn does not improve your life. Especially social skills with women. Granted some of that motivation is a gross lack in a male role model. Many young men didn't have a proper father to guide them. I can personally attest to this issue, but I managed to pave my own path, find my own courage without my father. Still, their own fear is what prevents them from seeing what they can achieve. Simply just being cordial, humorous, and confident with women can go a long way.

[Tayken]

Simply just being cordial, humorous, and confident with women can go a long way.

 

Go a long way in what...you becoming a door stopper, getting laid, making it all about them and not what you want?

 

The same attributes can be said about women too...but do you see that happening?

[ktya]

She was horrible with money, did virtually no housework, and only worked half the time. We lived in a good single story 1600 sq foot 3 bedroom 2 bath brand new home that she ridiculed because it wasn't her "dream house"....

 

It's that sense of entitlement that many men are seeing and experiencing from modern feminism. It's one thing to want to better yourself, entirely another to want something for nothing.

 

I've found that most women these days are like this. It's quite disheartening. Either work full time and contribute financially or if your gonna stay at home run the house like its your job, I dont care your gender.

 

I had an ex like yours too. She was a "stay at home mom". Obviously didn't read the job description. I had to teach the kid how to read, give the kid structure and get her to do chores and pick up after herself, clean the house, do most of the cooking. She would cook processed food out of a box most of the time, and could barely wake up to get the kid to school half the time, I'd have to do it and I'd be late for work. It wasnt even my daughter. I'd get calls from the school because she was passed out on the couch and nobody picked the poor kid up from school. She would stay awake all night playing on her iPod touch claiming she just "couldnt sleep during nighttime". I was like figure it out like the rest of the population!

 

It got so exhausting that I'd literally run away to stay on my boat every couple weeks just to get away, because the place was always a complete disaster zone. And I'm no OCD neat freak. I'm talking a quarter of a million fruit flies, it was so bad I'd put my drink down on the table and by the time I went to take another sip there was 4 flies floating in it. 70 cubic feet of clean laundry in a pile by the washer. Ugh.

 

After we broke up, I offered to continue being a father figure to that poor kid. She lambasted me for not being a good father figure to the kid. Her rationale? I "wouldnt even open a joint bank account" with her.

 

That one was pretty well the worst... but most of the others had similar problems just not as extreme.

 

I beleive the problem is as follows. Women of todays day and age had mothers who grew up in the rise of feminism, bra burning and needing men like a fish needs a bicycle. Their grandmothers taught their mothers how to run a house and cook and everything, but their mothers never got around to teaching them anything other than that its not a womans job to cook or clean and that they should aspire to get everything they desire.

 

So we now have a generation of self-entitled slobs who can't cook or clean because it's beneath them. Not all women are like that, but enough of them are its a shtty time to be a man looking for a life partner.

[Tayken]

My xWW took and took from the marriage and contributed nothing. She was horrible with money, did virtually no housework, and only worked half the time. We lived in a good single story 1600 sq foot 3 bedroom 2 bath brand new home that she ridiculed because it wasn't her "dream house". In the end she cheated, and I dumped her sorry butt. She still ended yo getting a better deal in the divorce, although things are slowly beginning to even out.

 

It's that sense of entitlement that many men are seeing and experiencing from modern feminism. It's one thing to want to better yourself, entirely another to want something for nothing.

 

I've learned valuable lessons, though. I'm never getting married again, I'm never financing anything with a woman, and my money/assets will remain my money/assets. I will share because I want to, not because I'm obligated to.

 

 

Bold 1: That is exactly what I had...went to the extent of spending our money on her mom thinking I wasn't going to check the account.

 

Bold 2:Emphasis on the something for nothing....some of it has to do with how mothers are raising their daughter i.e. being friends with them as opposed to parents and teaching them to be independent. Apples don't fall far from the tree

 

Bold 3:This is exactly the stance am taking...fool me once and all that. Well of course women that have hidden agendas don't find this attractive, especially when they come with baggage in the form of kids, outstanding lawyer bills, etc

[salparadise]

Some of the points on the topic is true. Young men, and even older men, do not know how to navigate an approach or interaction with women. Mostly out of fear for being labeled a creep, a*shole, or accused of harassment. Even if a man is civil, his opinions are relegated as worthless or antagonistic. I've had discussions with women on various topics, and the times some of the women disagreed with me, was solely because I am just a man. I invited these women to provide a proper intellectual argument, just as I brought forth, only to have my opinion nullified just because I have a penis.

 

I am all for equality and fully-actualzed women... but, the feminist social engineering event turned into an 'us against them' gender war, and undermined respect, trust and positive regard between the genders. Even for those who don't literally call themselves feminists, the movement has resulted in confusion, picking and choosing, entitlement, thinking one can have it both ways. This can make a man feel like he's the red rubber ball attached to the rubber band that's attached to the paddle, and that is no fun.

 

And somewhere along the line it became completely and totally unacceptable for men, especially white men, to advocate for themselves. If a [white] man so much as intimates something about pride or support for his own group... he will be shunned by society and the nastiest labels applied. We're expected to acquiesce, always.

 

Well, on the personal level this $hit gets old real fast. My ex-wife was one of those sometimes flag-waving types. She would get angry just watching a tv-show that involved feminism, and of course there was only one convenient target on which to direct it.

 

And I have some outrageous stories about how she attempted to leverage the advantage of being female when going through the divorce. I want nothing more to do with feminism, or the residual crap leftover from it. When dating I don't mention it, but I pay close attention to attitudes and a tendency to jump on bandwagons. Life is just too short to suffer that crap again.

[Tayken]

I am all for equality and fully-actualzed women... but, the feminist social engineering event turned into an 'us against them' gender war, and undermined respect, trust and positive regard between the genders. Even for those who don't literally call themselves feminists, the movement has resulted in confusion, picking and choosing, entitlement, thinking one can have it both ways. This can make a man feel like he's the red rubber ball attached to the rubber band that's attached to the paddle, and that is no fun.

 

And somewhere along the line it became completely and totally unacceptable for men, especially white men, to advocate for themselves. If a [white] man so much as intimates something about pride or support for his own group... he will be shunned by society and the nastiest labels applied. We're expected to acquiesce, always.

 

Well, on the personal level this $hit gets old real fast. My ex-wife was one of those sometimes flag-waving types. She would get angry just watching a tv-show that involved feminism, and of course there was only one convenient target on which to direct it.

 

And I have some outrageous stories about how she attempted to leverage the advantage of being female when going through the divorce. I want nothing more to do with feminism, or the residual crap leftover from it. When dating I don't mention it, but I pay close attention to attitudes and a tendency to jump on bandwagons. Life is just too short to suffer that crap again.

 

Bold 1: Yes I can concur a la "am a woman hear me roar" mentality. I loved when the female Judge in one of the early steps of the divorce lambasted my ex..."Listen Ms, I am not your mother". I wanted to laugh, but it would have got me in trouble.

 

Bold 2: You and me both, it doesn't take long to identify these type of people, and no amount of sex can cloud my judgement on something that can end up being costly.

[ktya]

And I have some outrageous stories about how she attempted to leverage the advantage of being female when going through the divorce. I want nothing more to do with feminism, or the residual crap leftover from it.

 

Ironically my ex the filthy one as described prior, was like this too. She described herself as a feminist.

 

When I started dating again, and I was dating some really gorgeous girls, she made her mind up that she wanted me back. Guess sleeping with her daughter in the spare room at her dad's house, with her stepmom riding her to clean up after herself made her think maybe she didn't have it so bad with me.

 

She warned me:

 

"You want to date these beautiful girls? Well watch out because I know you dont like spending money on your girlfriends. And if they are beautiful like that they're going to want you to pay for their cosmetics and hair products so they can look that way. And if you dont they'll find someone who does."

 

I asked around to see if any of my friends had EVER dated a woman who mad them pay for her cosmetics. I talked to female friends even, and they told me they didnt buy the cosmetics for the boyfriend, they bought them for themselves. The girls I dated never asked for a dime or to go to the drug store, nothing.

 

This is the same woman who kept alleging that I was abusive. She would say, you get angry when you are drinking. Well I'm not normally an angry drunk. I told her, listen woman, I'm just plain ANGRY. Look at this place.

 

14 empty packs of cigarettes on the table, 6 empty 2 litre bottles of cola, overflowing ashtrays, candy wrappers everywhere, fruit flies buzzing around getting into my drink. And this is just one corner of the damned living room, the whole house was like this. And the garage. And the basement.

 

Of course I was going to start bloody yelling at her. Years of "asking" made no difference.

 

She called me not having enough sex with her abusive and showed it to me in a womens' studies book (she never made herself up, didnt shave her legs and slept on the couch most of the day and was awake all night, go figure). Withholding money from her was also a form of abuse (I begged her to at least volunteer or get a part time job because I was starting to feel like an ATM with her needing my bank card all the time because she'd spend all of her money within 5 days of getting it on stupid unneeded crap, I demanded that she figure out how to at least budget to pay for her own smoking habit).

 

She played the "but I'm a single mother victim" card on her sleeve to everyone she could talk to, and did her best to trash my reptutation in a community I've lived in for 14 years; at girl guides (she couldn't pay for the girl guide cookies because she spent the money); at the school (because the kid was always late for school); at the church (she went and asked for counsel on how to make our relationship better, I hoped she would come to her senses that I just wanted her to clean up after herself). Unbeknownst to me she had painted me so badly to her dad, brother and sister that she had to lie about coming over to my house so I could see the kid.

 

UGh. And all this while I was kindly storing her 20 tonnes of junk in my garage after we broke up so she could rent an apartment or a suite on her own. She didnt. She played the victim card to some fool like me who she moved in with 2 weeks later. I even had to hire the damned truck to get rid of her stuff. She filled a 5 ton cube van a pickup truck and a minivan, and it took me 10 months to get rid of the literal 9.26 tonnes of garbage she left behind.

 

Yeah. Feminism fcking rocks.