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Old 3rd November 2017, 5:29 PM   #256
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Do you have anythhng helpful to offer, DKT3?
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Old 13th November 2017, 9:31 PM   #257
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Just checking in. Hopefully everyone is doing OK. xx
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Old 13th November 2017, 11:16 PM   #258
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This free from judgment ďsafe spaceĒ I held so dear is becoming less so every day.
Just an observation: Perhaps this sums up your issues nicely; have you considered getting out of your comfort zone just a bit?

My apologies for being blunt.
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Old 13th November 2017, 11:21 PM   #259
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I'm left wondering when you think things will change?

Change happens because a person changes things.

It's silly, because you think something will change when you're changing nothing.

Nothing changes when nothing changes!

The change is ONLY up to you.

Yet you keep journaling here about how you lie to your H. You aren't honest. You don't share your true feelings with him.

So really, this marriage is failing because you aren't honest with yourH about how you feel.

You seem willing to use your H. All the pretending and complaining has got to be miserable for him too.

Honestly, when someone says they are miserable I don't understand why they don't DO things to change. Change is only up to you.

Do you really believe he enjoys being married to a miserable woman? I highly doubt it.

Get some professional help about how to get honest and live an authentic life.

Two people wallowing in their common misery never fixes a thing - it's just a bigger pity party.
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Old 15th November 2017, 11:56 AM   #260
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HI Lost,

I have had some pretty honest and serious talks with my husband. I will never come out and say that I do not feel attracted to him, but have expressed my concerns about our attraction for one another and lack of sex and sexual desire in the marriage. Also, communication and other issues.

He was his usual denial self, but open to the discussion. I told him as much as I love and care about him, I do feel like "Room mates." He was quite shocked by that statement and I don't see how he could be. After-all, we are both living in the same house but I guess we interpret or experience our relationship in a different way.

I have tried hard to remember why I fell in love with him and it never was about the physical, but the man he was/is. He is still that man whom I respect and admire on many levels.

He will never have the same desire or need for sex that I do. When I met him, I was in a different place in my life. The things that drew me to him I still need. Safety, comfort, normalcy. I still want the family unit, even with my kids older, but that may mean I choose to stay in a marriage with minimal sexual desire and attraction but a lot of other good things.

For now, I am in that mode of staying again. Starting over at 50 seems daunting. We are spending more time together. Working out again (that may spark something, who knows). I do feel sad that I keep denying my desire of who I am. Right now though, I can't see leaving. A month ago I was set. I was going to file, take my chances and move South, start over and go for it. Now, for some reason, maybe guilt, maybe the state of the world, I feel compelled to stay and try. But I also do love my spouse on many levels.

I do know if I walk away, I want to have given myself and my husband the opportunity to know work on it and be absolutely sure that it's over. 25 years is half my life, I have to give us both time and attention to see if staying or going is the right thing.

A friend of mine who is on her 3rd marriage told me that I may never find that perfect man. She had no attraction for her first husband. She divorced sowed her wild oats and met a lot of horrible guys, but had a ton of fun. Her 2nd marriage ended after he showed his true colors, even though the attraction was amazing. She is on marriage #3 and wasn't planning to start over with kids (his) but fell in love. She says they have an amazing connection both physical and mental but that her drive (sexually) isn't anything like it used to be, mostly just because she has gotten older and it just isn't as important, but she doesn't deny that was an important factor for her in a relationship. I guess the point is, any of us may find as we age that it (sex/attraction physically) isn't as important as we age. Maybe that's just a statement I wish I could honor.

Thinking of you Lost and your dilemma too!
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Old 15th November 2017, 10:09 PM   #261
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Just an observation: Perhaps this sums up your issues nicely; have you considered getting out of your comfort zone just a bit?

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Iím not sure what you mean. By doing what, for example?
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Old 15th November 2017, 10:16 PM   #262
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Honestly, when someone says they are miserable I don't understand why they don't DO things to change.
I am NOT miserable. Thatís the problem. Iím rather content and happy. I just know I am not living an honest life.

We come here to ďjournalĒ because we are all people experiencing being with good partners but no longer wanting to be, and weíre not sure how to handle that. There is nothing wrong in the relationships,we just donít want to be in them anymore. Thatís my predicament anyway. It's not that easy.
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Old 18th November 2017, 9:11 AM   #263
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Lost and MLM...

Lost and MLM...

I have followed both of you and what you are going through, and I am very sympathetic to you both. But I want to speak to you both about where you are at with your "OK" marriages.

And their is no condemnation to either of you, however I would like to speak plainly to you both.

People, and a lot of women it seems, choose paths in life for different reasons and that is understandable.

So, for a lot of women, they generally go one of two ways. Some will go for the bad boys, the alpha male who is good in bed and desired by many woman. But most of the time they start to understand that a lot, most, of those guys are not the ones they should have married. Many tend to be asshats, cheaters, man children and on and on.

The other group, goes for the safe beta guy. He is a good guy, stable, some what loving and caring, some are ok in bed but most are not, as they have no confidence or experience. But they are good earners, they can usually be good fathers, they are stable, but the sexual component is lacking and these women think they can deal with that as they have so many other tangible benefits from the relationship.

You two ladies are in the second group, and have enjoyed the fruits of a stable beta husband, but their comes a point that you start to want that hot sex and passion that you know is out there, and you may have even experienced it before you met your husbands.

But what I would like for you two to realize how inherently unfair the current situation is to your husbands. They, for the most part, are just what you wanted when you choose to marry them. Typical betas that are just happy to have a wife and family, and the occasional pity sex from the wife. Through no fault of their own, they are sucking hind teat and don't even know it.

Both of you say that you love your husband but are not attracted to them, and that you don't want to hurt them. You actually love them like your favorite dog or cat, which is not really the kind of love that anyone wants is a romantic relationship.

Which in fact, if you guys really were honest with yourselves, you would understand that this is actually a lie you are living.

If I am not mistaken, you have both had affairs which is a whole other can of worms, and I could be wrong about that.

But the point here is that, yeah, you would rather not hurt your good, decent, beta husbands, but the reality is that you are both scared to rip the band aid off and start a new life because you are worried that it may not be that great. And, that is understandable.

And MLM, you say that you have "really" talked to your husband but you have not been completely honest with him, so that is kind of a lie, and he really does not know what he is dealing with. He may or may not know about any affairs that have happened, but he absolutely does not understand that you are not in any way sexually attracted to him. If he did know that, he may put in the effort to be more attractive to you, but he does not really understand the game so he does not get it.

The irony for both of you is that while you "don't want to hurt your husbands", you are doing just that. Further, you are not giving them a real chance to step up. Now, they may in fact be too clueless to understand how to step up to the plate, but the fact is that neither of you have been honest enough for either of them to really understand what is going on.

I don't condemn either of you for what is going on, or the way that you feel about your marriages or your husbands. It is understand able and it happens a lot.

I do condemn the lack of complete honesty and courage that you both are showing. To worried and scared to leave the comfort, and to miserable to be happy.

And look, I am a sex and passion guy, and I always have been. The women I have been get that in ample supply, so I understand how important attraction and sex are in a relationship.

But both of you owe it to yourselves and to your husbands to be honest and make decisions that will allow you to be happy. If that means leaving then is it so much more humane to rip the relationship band aid off quickly and move on with life, than it is wasting years of your life and your husbands life.

Does that make sense or am I rambling???

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Old 19th November 2017, 5:29 PM   #264
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It makes perfect sense, and thank you for taking the time to share all of that with us. It's something I've heard time and time again but am frozen to do anything about it. Trust me, I hate myself.
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Old 20th November 2017, 8:43 AM   #265
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Blues

You are so very wise and correct!
I am frozen. It is not fair to my husband, but let me be clear. No, he does not know every detail of my thoughts or actions, but he knows plenty to know where I stand and he chooses to stay, as do I.

He has actually stepped it up a bit. We are both going back to the gym (he has always had a bit of a weight problem and I believe a body image problem).
He is open to exploring sexually a bit more, though he will never be as open as me.

I have started to explore my thoughts and feelings around what it is I really want and what I can live with and live without.

At this time, I can not live with leaving my family. I just can not and have come to that conclusion, even to explore romantic, sexual satisfaction elsewhere. The grass truly is not always greener.

I fear I will wake up in another 10 years and regret my decision to not leave and explore life on my own, but I also think in 10 years I may just as content that I stayed and explored a deeper relationship with my husband and family.

I read a thread that hit home with me. The gentleman explained that we all seem to be caught up in "Living the best life possible no matter what". Go, explore, do, experience as life is short. I tend to be that person personality wise but I also have a strong sense of responsibility of what I chose and who I may hurt by going and experiencing that "Fulfilling" life.

I know me, I know I am a hopeless romantic and sexual person. I know that won't go away. I choose to keep working through this relationship for now. I dont know if it will be forever, do any of us?

I don't think my husband is in a "Poor guy" situation. I think he has been given enough information to make his own choice about me and right now, we both are choosing to work on it.

Thanks for your input and insight. I really respect your opinion and appreciate your thoughts and advice Blues!!
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Old 20th November 2017, 9:29 AM   #266
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Midlife,

Wonderful post and I agree with your decision first to give you marriage all you got. Life is very seldom greener on the other side but what is unfortunate, we discover the truth when it's too late. You and your husband have given your marriage another opportunity and I hope and pray through both of your dedication and counseling your marriage will survive.

Good luck and I'm rooting for you!!!!
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Old 20th November 2017, 7:16 PM   #267
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I've been reading this thread for awhile and have only decided to post now. I think Midlife and Lost, although your stories seem similar, they are actually quite different. As your namesake suggest, Midlife, I think is going through a midlife crisis. That is, she is evaluating her life at about the midlife mark and wondering 'is this it?'.

OP, I suspect your issues run deeper. Due to your dysfunctional childhood, I don't think you've ever really had a lot of self-worth. That explains why you jumped at your husband at a young age when he showed you he loved you. The unfortunate thing that happens when people don't have much self worth, is they tend to let their actions be driven by their feelings, rather than letting their core values drive their actions.

Letting your feelings drive your actions generally results in what we can call short term gain for long term pain. That is we do what we feel like (or avoid what we don't want to do) in the short term, often then resulting in problems and suffering in the long run. Whereas when we live authentically by our values, we often have the opposite - short term pain for long term gain. We do the difficult things now, and it benefits us in the long term.

OP, I think you've been allowing your feelings to dictate your actions for practically your whole life. In the current example, you've been avoiding having a very difficult conversation with your husband because by avoiding it, you alleviate the anxiety / fear (feeling) in the short term. In the long term, as you are very eloquently relating to us, you are suffering.

The problem of course, is that you think your feelings actually have meaning. To be blunt, they don't. Feelings don't matter much. They are generally caused by our thoughts, which also don't mean much. If you want to live an authentic life, you absolutely have to live by your core values, and act on those values, even when you don't feel like it. And that's probably why therapy hasn't worked for you. You want to feel like doing the difficult things. That's not what therapy does. It instead should (if done properly) separate your self from your thoughts and feelings so that you do the difficult things despite not feeling like it. You live by your values.

So how to start? It's not easy, but I'd highly recommend writing down your core values when it comes to various areas of your life. What kind of wife / partner do you want to be? What does that look like? What kind of employee or employer do you want to be? What about your values when it comes to a healthy lifestyle? What about money and finances? What kind of daughter / sister / mother do you want to be? What kind of friend?

Write down those values and see what areas of your life you're living fully by them. And if you're not, start. It will be hard, but you can definitely do it. Good Luck!
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Old 20th November 2017, 11:01 PM   #268
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I love your post, Steve!!! Thank you!!!
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Old 22nd November 2017, 4:02 PM   #269
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This thread reminds me why I will never remarry.


I proudly waived off my 23 year old nephew from marrying a girl who only wanted him because he had a stable job. She didn't love him. Everyone could see it but him. After a long talk with him last week he broke the wedding off with her over the weekend. He called me last night and thanked me.


He says he's never going to marry because he doesn't want to live subject to the constantly changing needs and wants of a woman. I hear that from more and more young men all the time. Good for them.


Marriage is an outmoded construct designed to enslave men and I hope it goes away in the next century. Threadjack over.
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Old 22nd November 2017, 6:59 PM   #270
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Yes, how dare women grow and change with time and age. Good luck to your nephew.
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