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It may be a little intimate, that I give you, then, but it is my responsibility to do this for all those who recognize in this text. The reverse is also true for girls.

 

The good guys always finish last

 

Take a few minutes to read this text. You should understand several things. And for all the guys involved in this text: keep it up!

 

This is a tribute to all the good guys. The good guys always finish last, that never become more than just a friend, who endure hours of "bitching" and frustrations of "the guys are all *******s!", Whereas Actually, this person proves their the opposite. This is a dedication to those guys who show their shoulder, those guys who keep their doors open and provide a comfortable place to retire, those guys who sit patiently wait outside who never dare and remain as sat, waiting patiently outside the dressing room store, but never dared.

 

This is in honor of the guy who always reiterate that their female friends are beautiful, wonderful, smart, funny, sexy, ... at the right time, because they know they have needs. In honor of the guys who are open-minded and relaxed attitude, with honest intentions ... In honor of the guys who respect girls in all their integrity, their privacy to their ideologies and the way they dress. This is for those guys who escort their drunk girlfriends returning from a party and never take advantage once arrived at their door. For those guys who accompany girls to bars to serve bumper pad facing the frightening male population. For those guys who know when a girl seeks only to be complimented. but compliments her anyway. For those guys who always respect the rules in a game that promotes the cheaters. For those guys who are treated as a boyfriend and, for whatever reasons, never end up to be this boyfriend. For all those good guys who are neglected, undervalued and unappreciated. For all those good guys who are manipulated, deceived, unjustly abandoned, ... this is for you.

 

This is for the time she sent a ton of urgent messages on your cell phone. And when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her at the dinner table. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a dumbass, you had reassured her that everything would work out and she should not worry. This is for the time it bothered you when you were on fire in GTA San Andreas (Grand Thief Auto - a video game) to rant about a rumor that she was now a couple with the guy she finds most disgusting in the world. And even if you thought it was immature to believe such nonsense and besides, you had nothing against the guy in question, you put your game on pause for two hours to help concoct something to contradict that rumor. This is also for the time you spent together, and although that there was nothing "serious" between the two of you, she dragged you to a "party" where you do not know anyone, where beer was horrible and she flirted mercilessly with you, justifying each reckless gesture announcing to everyone: "Oh, but we're just friends!". And even if you where symbolically invited and purely being friendly to her ego, you went anyway. Because you're good like that.

 

The good guys rarely have the credit they should, when they really deserve it. Even more disturbing, the nice guys do not seem to put aside as often as they should. And I wish I could explain this trend in a logical manner, but I am unable. Everything that I have observed in this life and what I have learned from talking to friends elsewhere, the only conclusion I could make is that many girls act so illogical; in a manipulative way. Many claim that they just want to go out with a good guy, but when in the presence of such a specimen, they speak irrationally, confusing things such as "Oh, this guy is too good for me so I cannot go out with him. "or" He would be a super nice guy to be with, but it is not for me. "or" He has so much in common with me, I could not possibly ask him to be with me. "or worse:" He means so much to me, I do not want to ruin our friendship! ". Still, they continue to lament the lack of good guys in this world, and they expect their guy friend "too-good-for-me" to sympathize and apologize for the fact that all guys are stupid. Sorry guys, this phenomenon is above my comprehension. I am not able to understand why the connection is not made between what they say (I want a nice guy!) And what they do (Now I'm sleeping with a jerk).

 

If there is one thing I can do is say that the phenomenon of the "good-guy-who-always-ends-last" is not eternal. There are definitely many girls who have grown without this culture of thought and realize they should come out with the good guys, without considering them for granted. The complicated part is finding those girls. And even more complicated, find free ones.

 

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the good guys in the world. You know who you are, and I know how much you are sick of hearing that you are good. However, the real answer to this question is: the world needs our patience in fitting rooms of stores, she needs your door always open, your escort service to parties and your propensity to be "easy" for a beautiful smile. For all the crazy things, absurd, insane, ... you tolerate. For all situations where you were the hero without a name, without a face ... To you all my honor, my appreciation and gratitude. You play a really important role in our society. Your humble and well deserved claims will come soon. Besides, I forgot something: these guys deserve all the credit ...

 

This is for all the good guys who have trouble finding girlfriends, and always end up broken hearted. For the good guys who, when they are in love, give everything they have to their girlfriends and get nothing in return. For the good guys who have never found the "One".

 

I raise my glass to all the guys like me ... and you!

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ehh. I must say, you can be a "good" guy, not deal w/ any of that ****, and get girls... In fact probably 80% of my male friends would be considered "good" guys, and all have been at least relatively if not extremely successful with women. And even the "bad boy" types I know still have hearts & have felt serious pain on behalf of girls. Maybe it's just the people I hang around but I've rarely (if ever?) witnessed this "nice guy wants a girl but is doomed to be her friend cause she likes the as*holes" thing. I do see it in movies, and of course it happens. Seems the guys you're talking about just lack a certain type of courage or "mojo". You've gotta balance your "good guy" characteristics with self esteem, confidence, assertiveness, independence, etc.

 

The most successful dudes I know, female-wise, are funny, sweet to girls, outgoing, and confident. And have an air to them that they're gonna be happy & laughing whether or not a given girl is down. And they're not dickheads or assh*les by any means.

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whats even more funny about this post is the 5 people that liked the original post.... sigh!

 

There are some great books on how to be a Man

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Nothing wrong with being a good guy. Most guys out there are jerks and yes seems women are attracted to them.

 

But I got my girl by being a good guy. Both first and second wife as a fact.

 

With that said, if my 2nd marriage fails I will not get married again. And I will not be the proverbial good guy anymore as well. At my age its time to look out for old number one.

 

But there is a grey line between being a good guy and being a doormat. I have been both and know the difference. One doesnt have to be castrated to be a good guy. You can still be a man of honor. So the label "good guy" gets thrown around alot and has more than one meaning IMHO. It's not a blanket termn and I resent that some people here see it as such.

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lol lol lol lol lol BS

 

I've been a good guy my whole life and I have attracted amazing and awesome relationships because of it. You don't have to be a dick or cocky or arrogant or powerful to attract women this is the biggest myth around.

 

In fact I am sensitive, sweet, kind, respectful, I don't swear (around women or try not to), like to talk about emotions and other things. I think I'd make an ideal husband and parent one day when I'm ready.

 

The problem is one of confidence women are attracted to confidence I won't lie. But confidence and kindness emotional maturity and sweetness are not mutually exclusive events. End Message

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Nothing wrong with being a good guy. Most guys out there are jerks and yes seems women are attracted to them.

 

But I got my girl by being a good guy. Both first and second wife as a fact.

 

With that said, if my 2nd marriage fails I will not get married again. And I will not be the proverbial good guy anymore as well. At my age its time to look out for old number one.

 

But there is a grey line between being a good guy and being a doormat. I have been both and know the difference. One doesnt have to be castrated to be a good guy. You can still be a man of honor. So the label "good guy" gets thrown around alot and has more than one meaning IMHO. It's not a blanket termn and I resent that some people here see it as such.

 

Might as well say, WHEN

 

lol lol lol lol lol BS

 

I've been a good guy my whole life and I have attracted amazing and awesome relationships because of it. You don't have to be a dick or cocky or arrogant or powerful to attract women this is the biggest myth around.

 

In fact I am sensitive, sweet, kind, respectful, I don't swear (around women or try not to), like to talk about emotions and other things. I think I'd make an ideal husband and parent one day when I'm ready.

 

The problem is one of confidence women are attracted to confidence I won't lie. But confidence and kindness emotional maturity and sweetness are not mutually exclusive events. End Message

 

Right, and where are both of you now?

 

Breakup forums.... Noticed how ZERO women have come in and chimed in on this?

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Might as well say, WHEN

 

 

 

Right, and where are both of you now?

 

Breakup forums.... Noticed how ZERO women have come in and chimed in on this?

 

I'm a woman, and you're here too CptSaveAho.

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my man I have broken up with many more women then have broken up with me. Not that this is something to be proud of cause I'm not in fact all I have felt from breaking up was sadness and guilt. I'm here to help people get through break ups, not vice versa. Lol you go on thinking whatever you want

 

Peace and Love

 

but I absolutely agree on one thing you can't just sit there and listen to their conversations and be nonchalant and make no move and be afraid. These traits have nothing to do with being good more they have to do with courage and not being afraid or cowardice. But a lot of these things that you say are good to me sound more like a little stupid you sit there and wait and just pussy foot around and listen to all her problems instead of gathering courage and telling her how you feel and what you want to pursue and being able to walk if it doesn't work out or just be friends.

 

many good people have courage. Stupidity does not equal good.

 

I apologize if this is offensive I'm just being honest.

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It may be a little intimate, that I give you, then, but it is my responsibility to do this for all those who recognize in this text. The reverse is also true for girls.

 

The good guys always finish last

 

Take a few minutes to read this text. You should understand several things. And for all the guys involved in this text: keep it up!

 

This is a tribute to all the good guys. The good guys always finish last, that never become more than just a friend, who endure hours of "bitching" and frustrations of "the guys are all *******s!", Whereas Actually, this person proves their the opposite. This is a dedication to those guys who show their shoulder, those guys who keep their doors open and provide a comfortable place to retire, those guys who sit patiently wait outside who never dare and remain as sat, waiting patiently outside the dressing room store, but never dared.

 

This is in honor of the guy who always reiterate that their female friends are beautiful, wonderful, smart, funny, sexy, ... at the right time, because they know they have needs. In honor of the guys who are open-minded and relaxed attitude, with honest intentions ... In honor of the guys who respect girls in all their integrity, their privacy to their ideologies and the way they dress. This is for those guys who escort their drunk girlfriends returning from a party and never take advantage once arrived at their door. For those guys who accompany girls to bars to serve bumper pad facing the frightening male population. For those guys who know when a girl seeks only to be complimented. but compliments her anyway. For those guys who always respect the rules in a game that promotes the cheaters. For those guys who are treated as a boyfriend and, for whatever reasons, never end up to be this boyfriend. For all those good guys who are neglected, undervalued and unappreciated. For all those good guys who are manipulated, deceived, unjustly abandoned, ... this is for you.

 

This is for the time she sent a ton of urgent messages on your cell phone. And when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her at the dinner table. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a dumbass, you had reassured her that everything would work out and she should not worry. This is for the time it bothered you when you were on fire in GTA San Andreas (Grand Thief Auto - a video game) to rant about a rumor that she was now a couple with the guy she finds most disgusting in the world. And even if you thought it was immature to believe such nonsense and besides, you had nothing against the guy in question, you put your game on pause for two hours to help concoct something to contradict that rumor. This is also for the time you spent together, and although that there was nothing "serious" between the two of you, she dragged you to a "party" where you do not know anyone, where beer was horrible and she flirted mercilessly with you, justifying each reckless gesture announcing to everyone: "Oh, but we're just friends!". And even if you where symbolically invited and purely being friendly to her ego, you went anyway. Because you're good like that.

 

The good guys rarely have the credit they should, when they really deserve it. Even more disturbing, the nice guys do not seem to put aside as often as they should. And I wish I could explain this trend in a logical manner, but I am unable. Everything that I have observed in this life and what I have learned from talking to friends elsewhere, the only conclusion I could make is that many girls act so illogical; in a manipulative way. Many claim that they just want to go out with a good guy, but when in the presence of such a specimen, they speak irrationally, confusing things such as "Oh, this guy is too good for me so I cannot go out with him. "or" He would be a super nice guy to be with, but it is not for me. "or" He has so much in common with me, I could not possibly ask him to be with me. "or worse:" He means so much to me, I do not want to ruin our friendship! ". Still, they continue to lament the lack of good guys in this world, and they expect their guy friend "too-good-for-me" to sympathize and apologize for the fact that all guys are stupid. Sorry guys, this phenomenon is above my comprehension. I am not able to understand why the connection is not made between what they say (I want a nice guy!) And what they do (Now I'm sleeping with a jerk).

 

If there is one thing I can do is say that the phenomenon of the "good-guy-who-always-ends-last" is not eternal. There are definitely many girls who have grown without this culture of thought and realize they should come out with the good guys, without considering them for granted. The complicated part is finding those girls. And even more complicated, find free ones.

 

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the good guys in the world. You know who you are, and I know how much you are sick of hearing that you are good. However, the real answer to this question is: the world needs our patience in fitting rooms of stores, she needs your door always open, your escort service to parties and your propensity to be "easy" for a beautiful smile. For all the crazy things, absurd, insane, ... you tolerate. For all situations where you were the hero without a name, without a face ... To you all my honor, my appreciation and gratitude. You play a really important role in our society. Your humble and well deserved claims will come soon. Besides, I forgot something: these guys deserve all the credit ...

 

This is for all the good guys who have trouble finding girlfriends, and always end up broken hearted. For the good guys who, when they are in love, give everything they have to their girlfriends and get nothing in return. For the good guys who have never found the "One".

 

I raise my glass to all the guys like me ... and you!

 

 

I had to quote this post again.How well written and beautiful it was.

 

I am chasing(if I can catch him though....;0).....) a good guy at the moment.Good guys tend to be shy, misunderstood and under appreciated.i appreciate the good guys.The unassuming ones the quiet strength their stability their smiles which are genuine the fact you can trust them.I don't intend to friend zone this one except to be my best friend and hope he sees me for me and wants to be my best friend too.As far as other the quintessential bad boy i grew out of them in primary school.Sometimes its hard when they disguise themselves as good guys but eventually the disguise comes off..Good guys dont have a disguise they are who they are......will always be that way.....for sure they would make better lovers.......better husbands and better best friends.....thats what i want.....and as I have told everyone around me including guys....I wont take less than a good guy.......deb

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As a woman....

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I (I really want to say 'we' as have had this discussion with lots of women who agree, but guess I better not claim to speak for all womankind;)) do NOT want a 'good' guy. I don't like the term, because of course I want someone who is good, just that that is not the man you are describing here - what you are describing is a wimp.

 

I want a man to be a man, to know his own mind and express it and to put me in my place when needed, and I recognise I do need it sometimes.

 

Confident and assertive is completely different to cocky and arrogant the later being a complete turn off.

 

I love being a woman and all that goes with it and a real man brings out those feeling even more. I have been told I'm very feminine looking and therefore bring out mens protective qualities, which is fine, but then I'm also very independant which confuses the hell out of some of them and they start backing off or giving in to me which is not what I want!

 

Also, and lets really get down to it here as we are on an anonymous forum - I am very ladylike but there are times, ie in the bedroom when I don't want to always be so much of a lady:love: and I want a man to know that and go with it.

 

There seem to be 'nice' guys, 'bad guys' and real men out there. The 'nice' guys are easy to spot and I'm happy to be their friend but nothing more, the bad guys and real men at first seem similar, until you dig a bit deeper - this is what I'm working on at the moment.

 

I'd be interested to hear from any women who DON'T want the real man described in Gibson's post- can't imagine there would be any.

 

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Let's clear up who / what a Man is and what he has to offer...

 

A man is compassionate, thoughtful, forgiving and understanding. He will bring out the very best in you and always have your best interest at heart. His actions and the decisions he makes are made with consideration to how they would impact / affect you or the relationship. He will create a safe and loving environment where you have the ability, encouragement and support to pursue your passions, your hopes and your dreams. You and your relationship are under his careful protection. He will not withhold his love from you. Both of you are equals in your relationship. He is not afraid to say, no. He will not let you walk all over him. He will put you in your “place” in a loving way, when it is needed. He knows what he knows and knows what he doesn't know. He is comfortable in his “own skin”. He will not hold a grudge and keep no record of any wrongs. He will cultivate goodness and inward beauty in you. You are his companion. He will provide the romance needed in the relationship. He isn't afraid to say that he is wrong or sorry. He is humble. He knows that he isn't always right and that he does not have all the answers. He respects and values your feelings, opinions and beliefs. You are his best friend. He will never stop pursuing you. He will offer his true self. He will not dishonor you. He would not purposely disrespect you and certainty not in front of others. He will always believe in you. He wants to know you and who you are. He cares about how you feel. He will not belittle you or make you feel small. He does not give ultimatums. He does not want to control you. He will gladly make sacrifices for you and the relationship. He will be there for you in your times of need.

 

 

This made me cry. It makes me feel like I have lost a great deal. Maybe apart from a few things, he checked all the boxes. Who is perfect?

 

I feel **** and most of all, I miss my ex... :(.

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Might as well say, WHEN

 

 

Well like it or not, all relationships end eventually. We all die after all.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence LOL. But you have to have some degree of faith that it will work out. I do. Otherwise I would not have gotten remarried in the first place.

 

But those of us that are in second marriages tend to be more vigil. One should have no problem undstanding why. I make no excuses for that.

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Well like it or not, all relationships end eventually. We all die after all.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence LOL. But you have to have some degree of faith that it will work out. I do. Otherwise I would not have gotten remarried in the first place.

 

But those of us that are in second marriages tend to be more vigil. One should have no problem undstanding why. I make no excuses for that.

 

Right, you put your head in the sand and watched as your 2nd wife cheated on you with her ex husband while she was dating you. It must be nice to be a "good" guy.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/marriage-life-partnerships/345877-wifes-sexual-history-before-marriage-ouch-4.html post 56... your own words... she murdered you emotionally, cheated on you, but you stick with it. Your own words "It still bothers me to this day" Her unleashing her 3 truckloads of baggage onto you.

 

This is the type of healthy relationship I want in my life. Actually I'd rather be single Then allow myself to be treated with such disrespect and settle for someone like this who keeps me around with sex

 

This is gibson's whole rationale for his post, MEN do not take this abuse. Good guys do.

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Quite a negative thread overall with an awful lot of stress upon "good" or "bad" and I don't think the OP really intended this negativity.

 

Terms like good and bad are purely subjective and really fall across a spectrum. I mean certain behaviours are relative - what is worse, a man that cheats or a man that hits a woman? On top of that, we all value different traits in different people depending on your understanding of the person in question.

 

I try my best to not "peg" or pigeon-hole anyone til I get to know them. I personally know several men that put on the supposed "good-guy" act, but when I got to know them better, they really didn't respect themselves and therefore anyone else. They put on a show for all to see in order to have more female attention. They are in fact quite egotistical. I think that's what Gibson is talking about.

 

 

I also know guys that are truly kind-hearted and show it everyday, all the time. They treat women and men equally, because they value themselves first and foremost. They do not apologize for who they are, because they know deep down that they do their best everyday to treat others with respect. They do not seek power, they have their own :)

 

These guys open a door for you if they think to or if they reach the door first but they also recognize that a woman is perfectly capable of opening the door herself. When they make a mistake and hurt someone, they feel remorse and fix it as best they can. These men are often tagged as "bad boys" because they seem "aloof" and not willing to bow down and grovel in order to get laid.

 

I don't care if the above is a "bad boy", that's my kinda guy :)

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I think then a perfect rephrasing and summary is,

 

it's good to be confident and have self respect and be yourself around a woman to tell her what you want and pursue it, it's bad to be a doormat and just let her use you as an emotional tampon. Ok agreed

 

but, WTH does that have anything to do with a "good trait" or being a "good guy," to me there's nothing good about that? when in reality your just being a coward and afraid. I think it would be much more logical to re name this entire good guy paradigm as "being cowardice and passive guys finish last" that's all I'm saying

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I think then a perfect rephrasing and summary is,

 

it's good to be confident and have self respect and be yourself around a woman to tell her what you want and pursue it, it's bad to be a doormat and just let her use you as an emotional tampon. Ok agreed

 

but, WTH does that have anything to do with a "good trait" or being a "good guy," to me there's nothing good about that? when in reality your just being a coward and afraid. I think it would be much more logical to re name this entire good guy paradigm as "being cowardice and passive guys finish last" that's all I'm saying

 

and I really don't think you should be given credit for being afraid to pursue your desires or for being used as an emotional tampon.

 

I think it all really boils down to intentions. Is a man or woman pretending to be something they are not in order to get laid?

 

If so, they have no self-respect, boundaries, etc and therefore have no chance at a healthy relationship with the opposite sex.

 

If they truly value themselves they won't allow themselves to be walked upon.

 

But if a male friend comes to my "rescue" when I can't get rid of someone that scares me, I don't see my male friend as weak, or doing a job, or a doormat he is doing be a huge favor.. and it will be paid back. It really depends on the nature of the friendship and the intention behind it.

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Right, you put your head in the sand and watched as your 2nd wife cheated on you with her ex husband while she was dating you. It must be nice to be a "good" guy.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/marriage-life-partnerships/345877-wifes-sexual-history-before-marriage-ouch-4.html post 56... your own words... she murdered you emotionally, cheated on you, but you stick with it. Your own words "It still bothers me to this day" Her unleashing her 3 truckloads of baggage onto you.

 

This is the type of healthy relationship I want in my life. Actually I'd rather be single Then allow myself to be treated with such disrespect and settle for someone like this who keeps me around with sex

 

This is gibson's whole rationale for his post, MEN do not take this abuse. Good guys do.

 

Wow that's brutal. But you need a few more facts before you label me regarding my own situation.

 

For the record, I did not have my head in the sand. Only in my first marriage did I do that and only because I was 100% trusting.

 

Fact is, I found out she was going to meet him and caught her in the act of meeting with him. Head NOT in sand. I was proactive. This was BEFORE we married. And I did the Alpha male thing. I kicked her and her kid out of my house and told her to be happy with him. We only got back together much later after he cheated ON HER again and she begged me to allow her to make things right.

 

With regard to the three bags, two are grown and out of the picture. I only took in her 14 year old. He is a good kid and will be gone in four years anyway. IMO she is worth that. My own father took care of me all his life even though I was not his and he was one hell of a man. And yes he was an Alpha male with a capital A! So dont label somebody a pushover just because they get involved with a woman with a kid.

 

Yes her past bothers me but rest assured that all women my age will have a history and some baggage. I challenge you to find one that doesnt. Hell my own past might bother her as well AFAIK.

 

With that said, point taken. I do advise others not to date women with kids and who have unresolved issues with their exes. But that does not mean that all situations like this are doom and gloom. Check in with me a year from now and ask me if Im still happily married.

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Wow that's brutal. But you need a few more facts before you label me regarding my own situation.

 

For the record, I did not have my head in the sand. Only in my first marriage did I do that and only because I was 100% trusting.

 

Fact is, I found out she was going to meet him and caught her in the act of meeting with him. Head NOT in sand. I was proactive. This was BEFORE we married. And I did the Alpha male thing. I kicked her and her kid out of my house and told her to be happy with him. We only got back together much later after he cheated ON HER again and she begged me to allow her to make things right.

 

With regard to the three bags, two are grown and out of the picture. I only took in her 14 year old. He is a good kid and will be gone in four years anyway. IMO she is worth that. My own father took care of me all his life even though I was not his and he was one hell of a man. And yes he was an Alpha male with a capital A! So dont label somebody a pushover just because they get involved with a woman with a kid.

 

Yes her past bothers me but rest assured that all women my age will have a history and some baggage. I challenge you to find one that doesnt. Hell my own past might bother her as well AFAIK.

 

With that said, point taken. I do advise others not to date women with kids and who have unresolved issues with their exes. But that does not mean that all situations like this are doom and gloom. Check in with me a year from now and ask me if Im still happily married.

 

Capt is looking for a pissing contest, lol. Don't get upset. You don't need to explain... most of us get it and for those who don't, oh well.

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Truth is G450, the past is the past, it should be left there.

 

We all learn lessons. Sometimes the hard way, like you.

 

Some folks don't learn and continue to repeat the same mistakes due to them not re-framing the picture and seeing it from all sides. Attitude makes a big difference. A bad attitude makes growth impossible. You have a good attitude :)

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So far, no woman has come on this thread to disagree with wanting a 'real' man as described earlier, rather than the OP's definition.

 

That's true to an extent, because a healthy strong woman does not want a man to sacrifice himself, or be a martyr in order to be with her. A healthy strong woman wants a man to be himself so she can decide if she wants to have any sort of relationship with him. What the OP describes as a "good guy" can be perceived as a doormat due to him seeing himself as being used and abused.

 

OP makes a very valid point that some men are generally kinder and perhaps more emotionally available than others with women and sometimes they get hurt, quite badly. Everyone is different, but we allhurt when we get dumped. Being a martyr will not change that at the end of the day.

 

When anyone, either male or female extends themselves to the point that they are not happy being a "nice guy" or a "nice girl" and feel that their actions are not appreciated then they betray their own self-worth by continuing to be someone they don't want to be.

 

I personally have no use for a man that treats me poorly, is disrespectful, arrogant... I also don't want to be with a man who willingly puts my needs above his own.

 

A "real" man (or woman) is not afraid to be who they really are. They have pride, dignity and respect for others who are similar.

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The OP was talking about wimpy pushover type guys. It's interesting that the term "nice" or "good" in synonymous to "pussy" for some. You can be confident, outgoing, independent, completely true to yourself, charming, and perfectly ****ing mannish while also being kind, affectionate, understanding, etc. In fact the right balance of those two sides is what will make you indispensable to a relatively intelligent female.

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The OP was talking about wimpy pushover type guys. It's interesting that the term "nice" or "good" in synonymous to "pussy" for some. You can be confident, outgoing, independent, completely true to yourself, charming, and perfectly ****ing mannish while also being kind, affectionate, understanding, etc. In fact the right balance of those two sides is what will make you indispensable to a relatively intelligent female.

 

I agree and well said :)

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Gibson's right! Being a disrespectful piece of **** is a good thing! Beat your girlfriend! Hell, be a rapist.

 

I tihnk Gibson has too much delusion about what being a man is.

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